Daniel P. Barron

Sounds like you’re in a dark place man.

Thursday, January 3, 2019

This is from a "Gay Christian" forum. I started a new thread with the opening link, and the rest is comments that followed. It has been reviewed by Darwin Fish.

Daniel: There is no such thing as a homosexual christian.

Domhnal: When I meet those mentally crippled by hatred, I take comfort that God - where all else is up for debate - most certainly created our bodies to die. And thankfully one day you will die. And your lies and your life will blow away like the sand they are built on. Praise God.
spbhk: Says the guy whose [forum] history is mostly greed-gambling on bitcoin.

Daniel: Gambling isn't wrong.

spbhk: 1 Timothy 6:10.i But keep telling yourself that, Pharisee.

Daniel: I do not love money.

spbhk: You’re clearly obsessed with Bitcoin. You’re a hypocrite and a Pharisee. Before you come criticizing other Christians here who clearly have a better relationship with God than you, you need to take a deep look at yourself. Merry Christmas.

Daniel: I was obsessed, perhaps. Those are old posts.

You are not a Christian if you are an unrepentant homosexual.

Christmas is an abomination.

spbhk: I’m most certainly a Christian, and gay. Sounds like you’re in a dark place man. Genuinely hope you find the light. If you don’t celebrate Christmas that’s fine. In that case, I wish you blessings, truth, light and peace today and every day.

Daniel: 1 Corinthians 6:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

Repent!

spbhk:

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

This is the only requirement for God’s grace, Paul of Tarsus (who is not Jesus and never met Jesus) letter to the Corinthian Church notwithstanding.

It honestly sounds like you’re struggling with your own belief and taking that out on others. Gambling addiction, Pharisaical pronouncements about non-Christian rules and regulations, and you’re arguing with someone on Christmas instead of spending the time with family (I’m in Asia so it’s already the 26th here). There is help out there for you if you want it. I’m not trying to judge you, but humility—recognizing your weakness and personal faults—is the first step to true belief and God’s grace.

Daniel:

whoever believes in him

You do not believe in Him if you do not believe in "every word that proceeds from the mouth of God." (Matthew 4:4ii)

Paul of Tarsus (who is not Jesus

We know Paul is in the truth from Peter, (2 Peter 3:15iii) and we know Peter is in the truth from Jesus. (Matthew 16:16-19iv)

Gambling addiction

You are a liar and a slanderer. I am not addicted to gambling.

I’m not trying to judge you

If you believed, you would judge.

PoruMairu: Oh boy. Another day, another Troll.

Such a nice way to spread the Christmas cheer, and celebrate by waiting for the exact day when all Christians honour God at the birth of Christ to tell gay Christians that they are not Christians.
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Cannot stand for any doctrine other than own.

Under utilised ears, over utilised mouth.

No empathy.

Truly needs more prayer than all of us put together.

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Fear not, all of us Gay Christians will pray for you.

Daniel: Christmas is an abomination, and so are your prayers.

PoruMairu: I bet every bit you are very mistaken.v

Gambling, bitcoin greed, and whacko American cult member, oh boooooy you really are one of the most amusing trolls I have seen on here for a while!

You just can't make this up!

Daniel: The Bible does not forbid gambling. Nor does it say that it is wrong to have money. You accuse me of loving money; you are a liar.

PoruMairu: Gambling and monetary greed is an abomination, and so is your cult.

Daniel: Show me where the Bible forbids gambling in general.

PoruMairu: Sorry, it would be an abomination for you to be taught by such heretics as we.

But if you really need to be taught:

Gambling is motivated by greed. Let’s be honest and admit that greed lies at the heart of all gambling. The desire to get something for nothing is really another name for covetousness (Exod. 20:17;vi Prov. 21:25-26vii).

Daniel: The scripture you cited does not say that "greed lies at the heart of all gambling." Nor does it say that covetousness means "to get something for nothing." Nor does it say that the desire to get something for nothing is even wrong. In fact, salvation is not by works! (Ephesians 2:8-9viii) And that's the greatest thing to desire and receive.

chrisbastard: I never understood why anyone uses the story of Sodom and Gomorah to condemn homosexuality. That story has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It condemns the people of Sodom and Gomorah for lack of hospitality. The men who want to «know» Lot’s visitors didn’t fall in love with the visitors or desire them, they wanted to rape and humiliate them. How this clear condemnation of sexual violence and lack of hospitality towards strangers has become a reason for Christians to hate queers is baffling.

Daniel: You do not know love because you do not know God.

gcq1: Did you release your anger? Good. Door's that way, don't let it hit you on your way out.
gcq1: Just looked at your sources... you think you belong to the only true church, consisting of 50 people... you have many more problems than just being homophobic.

Daniel: We do not claim to be the only true church.

The Bible says few will believe. (Matthew 7:13-14ix)

gcq1: It says so in your FAQ.

http://atruechurch.info/faq.html

Sorry, I don't believe that God is going to send all but 50 people to hell. Moving on.

Daniel: It says that we don't know of any other true churches; that is not a statement affirming that we are the only ones.

gcq1: I wrote 3 different versions of a rebuttal. But it was taking too much mental gymnastics to combat your mental gymnastics. So think whatever you want to think.

Daniel: I think that enemies of the truth have a very similar way of speaking.

gcq1: Yes, I have no doubt that you can link me to some heretic bullet point with every thought I express. Enjoy!
ShanGongPo: this is Star Trek vs Star Wars all over again
Stagnant_Heir:x Get behind me, satan!

Woe to you religious leaders. You impose an impossible burden on others but do not lift a finger to help them in their time of need.

White washed tombs. Defilers. Brood of vipers.

Woe to you religious leaders. Actors. You'd travel half the world to win a single convert, then turn them into twice the son of hell that you are.

Ask your Father in heaven that you may be born again and see with new eyes for now you're among the blind leading the blind.

I say all this because I was you - Ignorant of my sin. Casting stones from my self-righteousness. I was wrong. You and I were wrong.

If you don't greet Christ our Lord on judgement day beating your chest in remorse for your debt then you've already earned your reward in full and shall receive no more than you already have in this world.

Blessed are the weak, the downtroden. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness. Blessed are the meek, and the oppressed for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven.

Daniel: Woe to me for quoting scripture? You are a liar.

Stagnant_Heir: You have eyes but do not see; ears but do not hear.

Your heart is hard and you have fulfilled the scriptures when they proclaim that there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one."

Repent, repent; for the kingdom of heaven is near and the lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender believers shall enter the kingdom before you.

You're right that I'm a liar - but by the words of Lord Jesus Christ my savior I'm also an adulterer and a murderer. So join me and humble yourself before his throne - lay yourself low and beat your chest and tear your clothes in agony for your sins. For unless you do this you will earn no more reward than what you've seen during this life.

Truly I say to you: you must be born again and see through the eyes of a newborn or you will never know God our Father.

Daniel: I do not claim to have not sinned. But you are teaching lies when you say that homosexuals can inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:

9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

"And such were some of you." Were. As in, they repented and are no longer homosexuals. You cannot be a practicing homosexual and also be saved. The two are mutually exclusive.

Stagnant_Heir: You will say to him ‘Lord, Lord, have I not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then he will declare to you, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me.'

You point out the speck in the eye of others but cannot see past the mountains in your own eye. You are the blind leading the blind. Serpent!

Then he will say to you on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was abused and you gave me no safety, I was oppressed and discriminated against and you didn't stand up for me, I was left to waste away and die of aids and you not only did not bring me healing but laughed and claimed I got what I deserved, I needed love and you did not love me, I was sick and in despair and you did not look after me.’

Listen to God our Father when he says to you "I hate, I despise your religious festivals; your assemblies are a stench to me. Even though you bring me offerings, I will not accept them. Though you bring choice fellowship, I will have no regard for them. Away with the noise of your songs! I will not listen to your hymns and empty praise! Woe to you who long for the Day of the LORD! What will the Day of the LORD be for you? It will be darkness and not light. It will be like a man who flees from a lion only to encounter a bear, or who enters his house and rests his hand against the wall, only to have a serpent bite him.

Daniel: You make reference to a chapter about hypocritically judging brothers and sisters in Christ. I see none who are in the truth on this forum, for one. That said, what is my hypocrisy? What is the beam in my eye?

Stagnant_Heir: I am not the one to tell you of the mountains in your own eye. Fall down before the Lord our God and beg him to remove them from your eyes so that you may be born again and see.

Ask to be given new eyes and to unharden your heart that you may know God.

Jesus is Lord!

Daniel: I do. Every day. But you are making an accusation that I have something wrong with scripture. What is it?

Stagnant_Heir: That is between our Father in Heaven and yourself. Confess your sin to Him and ask to be born again - to see with new eyes - to remove the mountains from your eyes!

Daniel: Jude 1:

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

  1. 1 Timothy 6:
    10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

  2. Matthew 4:
    4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

  3. 2 Peter 3:
    15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,

  4. Matthew 16:
    16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

    17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

  5. I think he's referring to BitBet, a bitcoin betting site I used to play on and own shares of.
  6. Exodus 20:
    17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

  7. Proverbs 21:
    25 The desire of the lazy man kills him,
    For his hands refuse to labor.
    26 He covets greedily all day long,
    But the righteous gives and does not spare.

  8. Ephesians 2:
    8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

  9. Matthew 7:
    13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

  10. Identifies as "Asexual."

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