Daniel P. Barron

Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

Friday, August 30, 2019

This log has been modified for spelling, formatting, and offensive language. Hyperlinks have been added, and it has been reviewed by Darwin Fish.

Deanr`: Openly gay Pete Buttigieg is being heralded as a candidate of faith, which raises the question, 'What does it really mean to be a person of faith? https://bit.ly/2Dyy4xM
catholic_: It doesn't matter. Being gay is his sexual orientation. It does not cancel out "faith."
Deanr`: Is sexual orientation the result of a natural physical process or of sin?
catholic_: Mary Magdalene being prostitute does not nullify "her belief."
Daniel: catholic_, yes it does. There is no such thing as a homosexual christian.
Deanr`: But it would had she not repented.i
catholic_: Repentance may come in matter of hours others in a decade... we are all pilgrim on earth, as long as we live, we sin regardless were are prostitute or a religious.
Deanr`: Mary didn't continue being a prostitute, catholic_.
catholic_: Deanr`, Demas on the cross lived a lifetime being a sinner but rescued moments before his death.
Daniel: You can't be a practicing homosexual and also be saved.
catholic_: Time is not an issue to eternal God.
Deanr`: catholic_, yes, however, had it be allowed to live, he would have wrestled against his sin, not embrace it.
Daniel: Being saved means turning from that lifestyle.
catholic_: ?niv luke 1:37
pete-: Luke1:37 For nothing is impossible with God." (NIV)
catholic_: Our human bias limited it.
Daniel: And yet you think it's impossible for a gay man to turn straight?
catholic_: It's open to question. Our human mind opt to judge. God grace is even more. Grace abounds. With the power of God, he will save you regardless. Theft on a cross was saved on his deathbed. Luke1:37 For nothing is impossible with God."
Daniel: Yes, nobody here is denying that a homosexual could repent at the last moment. The point is they must repent.
catholic_: Yeah. They must in His time.
Daniel: And repenting means not doing it anymore.
catholic_: It's all under Gods grand scheme.
Daniel: If they are still doing it, they aren't saved.
Deanr`: You can't embrace and promote sin and say that you're following Christ.
catholic_: In fact they are not the source of trouble.
catholic_: It is the Moslem. Who prevent Christianity spread.
Daniel: Moslems and homosexuals go to hell.
catholic_: Moslems who cut throat I'm sure... Homosexuals? It's Gods job and divine secret we don't know.
Deanr`: Pete Buttigieg is married to a man, he is promoting same-sex marriage in his political platform. His "faith" cannot be genuine, not to Christ anyway.
Daniel: How is being homosexual any different than being a Muslim?
catholic_: Muslim believe in false god and false prophet who can't save them.
Daniel: So do homosexuals.
catholic_: It's like black and red.
Daniel: Homosexuals believe in a false Christ that doesn't send homosexuals to hell.
catholic_: Moslem is a cult; homosexuality is sexual preference.
Daniel: If they believe in the real Christ who sends homosexuals to hell, they would fear and repent.
abzoloot: ?kjv jam 2 3
pete-: Jas2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: (KJV)
Deanr`: catholic_, you don't believe homosexuality is sinful?
catholic_: Moslems is born out of sexually hungry Muhamad...
Daniel: Abzoloot, check out http://atruechurch.info/ and don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
abzoloot: Here James is telling everyone to have respect for gays.
catholic_: Deanr`, being judgmental and hating our fellow christian is sinful.
Daniel: I am not fellow with any homosexuals.
Deanr`: catholic_, that is true, but promoting correct doctrinal truth that challenges heresy is not sinful.
Daniel: And judging isn't wrong.
Deanr`: catholic_, so again, my question stands. You don't believe homosexuality is sinful?
catholic_: Deanr`, its up to God - leave it to God.
abzoloot: Many believe that the disciples were gay.
Deanr`: catholic_, why is it up to God to determine what God has already said on the matter?
Daniel: catholic_, I know from God's word that homosexuals and you are going to hell.
catholic_: abzoloot, John primarily.
Deanr`: abzoloot, nobody believes that.
catholic_: Deanr`, because its case to case basis... such as the likes of theft on the cross... if you let human mind, all theft goes to hell since its doctrinal truth its sinful. Yet Luke1:37 For nothing is impossible with God."
Daniel: catholic_, your very bizarre reasoning also applies to Muslims; they too can repent at the last moment.
Deanr`: catholic_, you can't seriously not see the flaw in that reasoning, right?
catholic_: Daniel, Moslem is a separate belief system.
Daniel: catholic_, can a Muslim not repent and be saved?
catholic_: Moslem equates a sin is too different.
Deanr`: catholic_, will you just take a few seconds to think about what you're saying? You're being irrational. Not to mention, equivocating.
catholic_: Daniel, most moslems do not repent since they are not aware their worship is directed to a false god.
Daniel: catholic_, that's not my question.
catholic_: Deanr`, okay, if so. Condemn all gays to hell . Will you?
Deanr`: catholic_: Let's review and clarify.
catholic_: Deanr`, you have your judgement... you're judgmental and its executory. They are to hell by your reasoning. Since you insist. They are marching towards hell.
Daniel: Yes, all homosexuals are going to hell.
catholic_: I can't insist something you believe in as final. Daniel, because you say so and you're judging in behalf of God who even can forgive sinful on the cross?
Daniel: I'm judging with righteous judgment.ii
catholic_: All of your rationality reasoning and playing God are all false.
Daniel: The Bible says the things I have said.
catholic_: Daniel, you're not a judge. Only Jesus Christ is.
Daniel: It's not wrong to judge.
catholic_: Daniel, God will judge you too.
Daniel: It's not wrong to say "the Bible says all homosexuals go to hell."
catholic_: And don't be too sure.
Daniel: Yes and He will judge me by the measure of the Bible.iii
catholic_: Since God will judge you the way you judge sinners per Jesus teachings.
Daniel: Yes, I hope He does. I don't want to be judged by any other standard.
catholic_: Daniel, you're not appointed to do such tricky job.
Daniel: Yes I am.iv
catholic_: ?niv luke 14:11
pete-: Luke14:11 For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." (NIV)
catholic_: It's about judging the sinners. Do not judge them.
Deanr`: catholic_, let me type this in a simple worded way so that you understand (actually, I think you already do, but you're being obtuse for some reason). Homosexuality, all forms of it, is sinful. The causes are complicated, but ultimately, it is because of man's fallen condition. Homosexuals CAN be healed by God to cure them of their same-sex attractions and desires. They aren't automatically condemned and have the ability to repent via the power of the Holy Spirit.
Daniel: catholic_, how can I warn someone of hell without judging them? How can you say what you have said about Muslims without judging them? You are a hypocrite.
catholic_: ?niv luke 18:14
pete-: Luke18:14 "I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted." (NIV)
catholic_: ?niv luke 18:11
pete-: Luke18:11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector. (NIV)
Daniel: You are the one exalting yourself, catholic_.
catholic_: You can't judge others really . You are.
Daniel: Yes I can and it's not wrong.
catholic_: It's obvious.
Deanr`: Daniel, you're attempting to use logic and reasoning, something you refused to use with scripture interpretation in our last conversation. Why is this? (a question for you to consider, I don't have time to discuss it now).
abzoloot: Note that James tells us to respect gay folk.
Daniel: And you are hypocritically judging me and Muslims.
catholic_: You're wrong. Principally. You're playing god. That's where you're wrong.
Daniel: Deanr`, I'm using scripture, unlike you.
catholic_: You may be self righteous and using scripture.
Deanr`: Daniel, no, you're being selective on when you use reasoning.
catholic_: But then you're doing a job what s really belong to God as merciful.
Daniel: Deanr`, the Bible commands me to judge people.
catholic_: Nope, you're not judge.
Deanr`: Daniel, yes, but you're using reasoning on interpretation. THAT is the point. You refuse to do so on a different subject.
catholic_: ?niv john 12:47
pete-: John12:47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. (NIV)
catholic_: God do not judge primarily.
Deanr`: catholic_, we are to judge righteously.
catholic_: While you consistently judge people.
catholic_: Jesus come to save.
Daniel: Deanr`, your reasoning contradicts scripture.
catholic_: And you're here keep on judging. You're not god. ?niv 1Corinthians 6:2
pete-: 1Cor6:2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? (NIV)
catholic_: Are you not competent to judge trivial cases?
Daniel: I am a saint, catholic_.
Deanr`: Daniel, like I said, we can discuss it more later. I showed you how your reasoning is contradictory, you appealed to interpretating plain text without the use of reasoning.
catholic_: You are not. No. You're sinful. You fall short to glory of God.
Daniel: No I'm not. Those who are born of God cannot sin.v
catholic_: You're born sinful.
Deanr`: Time to scoot. Laters.
catholic_: Every minute you sin.
Daniel: Sure, but I am saved.
catholic_: You need a savior too.
Daniel: Indeed.

  1. Luke 8:
    2 and certain women who had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities—Mary called Magdalene, out of whom had come seven demons,

  2. John 7:
    24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

  3. Matthew 7:
    “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

  4. 1 Corinthians 2:
    15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.

  5. 1 John 3:
    9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

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