Daniel P. Barron

How stupid do you think I am?!

Saturday, May 18, 2019

This log has been modified for spelling and formatting, and it has been reviewed by Darwin Fish.

snowday: Hi.
Hogarth1: Hi, toph!!
Swollen: Hi.
Daniel: Hogarth1, Swollen, check out http://atruechurch.info/ - don't go to hell like the rest of the world!
Swollen: No thanks. I have a Church.
Daniel: It's probably not in the truth.
Swollen: But I just may still be going to hell. Okay Daniel. You're the boss.
THERetroGamerNY:i Daniel, this is a channel for Christian fellowship. Please stop promoting a link and telling other Christians they are going to hell. Thank you.
Daniel: How can you have fellowship with someone you don't agree with on scripture?
THERetroGamerNY: That's your problem, not mine. If you cannot obey the rules, then perhaps a rethink of why you are in the channel is in order.
Daniel: I'm in this channel and most others to warn people that they don't believe the Bible.
benjy: More to the point, this is IRC.ii The channel operators make the rules. They can kick/ban you for any reason they like.
THERetroGamerNY: Daniel, that is not the purpose of this channel. Again: If you cannot obey the rules of the channel, please rethink why you are in here.

The other users go on to "have fellowship" with a practitioner of modern Judaism and a Muslim. Later on, someone joins who I had chatted with in the past, and who seemed to agree with me on the Bible.

ULF: Hello.
Daniel: Hi.
ULF: What's new Daniel?
Daniel: Got a new post on my blog.
ULF: Great. I'd like to see it.
Daniel: Okay, I'll send the link to you in private because this channel has a stupid rule against posting it in public for some reason.
ULF: Thank you.
THERetroGamerNY: There is no rule about links that I am aware of.
Daniel: Oh, okay then this is the link.
ULF: I like the treat. We need these sort of things now what we're under assault. You could've also added the biblical teaching of eschewing, shunning evil doers.
THERetroGamerNY: Daniel, for clarification, I said not to spam that one link over and over and condemn others to hell. Your personal blog seems fine.iii
ULF: Also you can't drink from the cup of demons and God's cup. Also you could've quoted Romans where homosexuals are unmasked and shown the way they truly are.
Daniel: Which verse is that?
ULF: (KJV) Romans 1:

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Daniel: Ah, I did quote that one.
ULF: This you quoted but there's more. (KJV) Romans 1:

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Daniel: I try to keep it concise, but that's good to keep in mind the next time someone asks where the NT says homosexuals deserve death.
ULF: These specific verses are important, for they show how homosexuals are utterly evil and can not be trusted, they not only commit abominations, but have pleasure in those who do it, and do all in their power to push their sin and madness. And this is clearly seen today, where many denominations are accepting homosexuals. And what happens? Homosexuals become more insolent and beast like, censoring the bible, pressing the leaders to replace sound doctrine with propaganda of the homosexual sin. You know why homosexuals are crazy, Daniel? Because they can't think straight.iv Pun intended, but seriously, sin darkens the mind and makes the heart cold and hard.
Daniel: The same chapter of Romans says that their foolish hearts are darkened.
ULF: Yes, I know. And further we read in the bible that because of the abundance of filth (iniquity) the hearts of many shall grow cold.v This explains the want to love now a days. Now homosexuals have hijacked the legal system to "legalize" their unnatural vile affections and actions, and "criminalize" us who hold fast to the Word and reject them. They have hijacked large denominations like the Roman Catholicism, and made the pope declare homosexuality is an abomination and its a sin to try to bring any homosexual to repentance, or reject him/her. If someone told us about this fifty years ago, we'd say he's crazy, we'd think its simply not going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if these evil doers managed to legalize other evil deeds they do such predating on children and animals, they have managed to have pedophilia as a gender already. Lord have mercy! I'm not making that up, I'm serious I'll quote:

Traditionally, sexual orientation refers to gender interest. As such, pedophilia is a behavior and not an orientation. But, some scientists, state that pedophilia -- being unchangeable -- should qualify as a sexual orientation.

This is the first state for legalizing unnatural and criminal activities, to provide "scientific grounds" for legislation.
Daniel: The Bible doesn't put an age restriction on marriage; the problem with "pedophilia" is not the age but rather the lack of commitment.
ULF: But we are talking about homosexuals, as they predate on children. The God blessed union between a man and a woman, is something else.
Daniel: Indeed, the issue often brought up about the catholic church is mistakenly called "pedophilia" when it should be addressed as homosexuality.
ULF: They do it to create a smoke screen, to lump many problems into one, so they can't be addressed and solved.
Daniel: The people who want to hold something against the catholic church (which is a false church) are usually the kinds of people who also promote a pro-homosexual agenda.
ULF: Yes. I don't see how its acceptable for the Pope to kiss a child with cerebral palsy on the mouth, He is sending a very strong message with these public acts of grotesque emotional display.
Daniel: The Bible doesn't forbid kissing, even on the mouth. Romans 16:

16 Greet one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ greet you.

ULF: And you are right, the self proclaimed "catholic church" is a false church, one of the most devastating terrorist extremist cults that ever existed. Yes. But the pope is really perverse and sinister, first he preaches homosexuality is okay, and its a sin to reject homosexuals or try to change the way "god" made them, then he goes round kissing only boys, on their mouth. I haven't seen a single time where girls are taken to the pope to be kissed, just boys.
Daniel: I didn't know he said that.
ULF: By words and gestures the pope is aggressively pushing the homosexual agenda. I'll show you.
Daniel: I wouldn't say he's pushing a homosexual agenda for kissing boys. Oh, I believe you.
ULF: No. Not just because of that. But first his declarations and condemning.
Daniel: But if he's saying you shouldn't try to change homosexuals, that's evil for sure. That's like saying you shouldn't try to change a murderer. "Oh god made you a murderer, that's just who you are. keep on doing it and go to heaven."
ULF: When a high ranking cardinal, was formally accused, with copious proof beyond reasonable doubt, the pope supported the cardinal, and concelebrated with him. Yes, exactly. That's what the pope said to homosexuals "god made you like this."
Daniel: That part is true, God causes them to be homosexual.
ULF: Well not so. God created us without sin. All sins come from Satan, and homosexuals are like that because Satan corrupted them.
Daniel: God created Adam that way, but the rest of us are born sinners. Psalm 58:

3 The wicked are estranged from the womb;
They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

ULF: Well the pope says "god" created them homosexuals. Yes absolutely.
Daniel: God did create them like that. Romans 9:

21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

ULF: Well. That's a very bad thing to say and its totally wrong.
Daniel: It's bad to show how the Bible says God creates the wicked for destruction? Romans 9:

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

ULF: Because one of the attributes of God is He is All good and nothing evil touches Him, He will never ever create something evil.
Daniel: Show me where the Bible says God won't create evil. While you try to find that I'll show you where it says He does create evil.
ULF: No place in the bible to we hear God created sin. Never.
Daniel: (KJV) Isaiah 45:

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

ULF: That's a great heresy. We are talking about sin.
Daniel: Sin is evil.
ULF: And of a particular one: homosexuality. God didn't create it.
Daniel: The Bible says He does.
ULF: Where does it say God created sin. Tell me. The exact verse.
Daniel: What's more, the Bible says all things are from God.
ULF: Narrow it down.
Daniel: Romans 11:

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

ULF: Where does it say God created homosexuality?
Daniel: Is homosexuality evil?
ULF: Don't you know sin is death? How can the giver of life create death? He just wouldn't.
Daniel: The Bible says God kills, too. Deuteronomy 32:

39 ‘Now see that I, even I, am He,
And there is no God besides Me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand.

ULF: Well killing is something. But creating death per se? No way.
Daniel: All things are of God, even death.
ULF: HE is the master and Lord of all. I know what you're saying. But to say you were created a homosexual, or a glutton, or a murderer, or an alcoholic,,,,,, its contrary to the Scripture.
Daniel: No it isn't, and I challenge you to show me where it says that.
ULF: In the guise of science, we are bombarded with the false notion that sinners are created like that, and that sins have a genetic predisposition, are inherited, or they come from birth,,,,
Daniel: Show with scripture that it is a "false notion."
ULF: It is true we were conceived in iniquity and in sin did our mother bare us (psalm 51vi) but sin is not part of who we really are, it remains, according to the bible, as an illness something coming from satan, not from within us. (KJV) Romans 5:

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

See? Sin entered into mankind. As poison.
Daniel: And God caused it to. And He creates the wicked for destruction.
ULF: God created the world pure, perfect, free from evil. Evil entered the world as a consequence of the fall, which occurred, according to the word of God, originally in the world of fleshless spirits, and then in the human race, and was reflected in the whole of living nature.
Daniel: Indeed, God says creation was "very good."vii And then He created evil.
ULF: (KJV) 1 John 3:

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Daniel: God causes the devil to do what he does.
ULF: the beginning of sin is pride," says the son of Sirach (Sir. 10:13). The bot doesn't have this text that's why I copied.
Daniel: What is that from?
ULF: Sirach 10:13 LXX (Septuagint)
Daniel: That's not part of the Bible.
ULF: (KJV) Genesis 3:

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

See who introduced sin? It was the serpent of old, Satan, NOT GOD. It is part of the bible, Daniel. The Christian Church has always understood the serpent, the tempter, to be the devil, who took the form of a serpent as corresponding best to his sneaky, cunning, and poisonous character. The clear words of our Lord Himself about the devil confirm this interpretation: (KJV) John 8:

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

(KJV) Revelation 12:

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

See? The devil was the serpent. So sin comes from the devil, and definitely not from God. "Through the devil's envy death entered the world" (Wis. 2:24). I don't know if the bot has the book of wisdom that's why I copied/pasted.
FormerTuxGuy-4077155308: I would be surprised if it had it.
FormerTuxGuy-4077155308 has translations which contain those books in his bible quoting script.
ULF: Yes, true. Sorry to flood the room.
Daniel: ULF, actually the serpent was at first very beautiful.viii
ULF: I was just contending the false notion of "god creating homosexuality" or any other sin.
Daniel: ULF, you deny that God causes all things, and creates the wicked for destruction.
ULF: Satan is beautiful, he can simulate light and appear as a beautiful angel, hiding its ugliness. Remember he was one of the most powerful and beautiful of angels. You are drawing a very weird "R"ix here, Daniel. What I'm rejecting is the false notion of "god creating people as homosexuals." You brought up this subject, but you keep digressing and hitting round the bush. We are not talking about evil and sin, death and destruction, that's a broad subject.
Daniel: I'm not necessarily saying that all people are born homosexual, but that some maybe are, and if they become homosexual later on, it's also God who causes it. Romans 1:

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

God can make you a homosexual from birth, and He can make you a homosexual as an adult.
THERetroGamerNY: (Log note: Rule states debates may happen in room if no other operator objects. I don't care at this time.)
ULF: I drop it. We can take it to a private message or [the debate channel]. Sorry, THERetroGamerNY.
THERetroGamerNY: I just said I don't care. Was only for my records. Carry on.
ULF: No its fine, I won't wait 'till you or someone else objects. :)
THERetroGamerNY: lol
ULF: Plus, only Daniel is interested, so, private message will work. :)
FormerTuxGuy-4077155308 adds the website that was just posted to him in private to his block list.x
ULF: I tend to be rebellious and fight back, I'm trying to change that and be a good kitty.
THERetroGamerNY: Well, this room is mostly dead, some activity was kinda a welcome change. lol But, ULF... yeah, you can go too far. Kinda cool of you to recognize this and cut it short. Not bad.
FormerTuxGuy-4077155308 bonks THERetroGamerNY over the head with a PONG pillow. (How's that for activity? lol.)
THERetroGamerNY: lol
ULF: lol Thanks, THERetroGamerNY. It has to do with the season too, we just started maslenitsa so I triple my efforts. :P

Daniel: you are going to hell if you do not believe that God creates evil. I hope that you repent.xi

That's another reason to end it, THERetroGamerNY. lol Daniel just sent me to hell because I don't share his views. LOL
Daniel: I do not send to hell; I warn of the God who sends people to hell who do not fear Him.
THERetroGamerNY: Private message I assume?
ULF: Yes, THERetroGamerNY.xii :)
THERetroGamerNY: FormerTuxGuy-4077155308, I assume you got a similar private message and link? Daniel, exactly how stupid do you think I am?xiii
FormerTuxGuy-4077155308: Just a link to a cult website.
Daniel: Hm? I was told that I can't warn people of hell in here, or post links to my church in here, so I do it in private message instead.
ULF: Yup, an evangelical style cult by self appointed "Christians."
THERetroGamerNY: Private messaging people with material, that they then subsequently complain to me about IS THE SAME ISSUE.xiv
ULF: A closing statement for you, Daniel. (KJV) Matthew 7:

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Daniel: I don't see how you could know for sure that I have private messaged someone because they are in this channel.
THERetroGamerNY: How stupid do you think I am?!
ULF: (KJV) Titus 3:

9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.xv

THERetroGamerNY: I get ONE more complaint about this, and you are gone from here.xvi
Daniel: I don't know how you could know that the next complaint you get is even legitimate.
Daniel was kicked from [the channel] by THERetroGamerNY.

  1. THERetroGamerNY is an operator who can silence and remove other members.
  2. "Internet Relay Chat."
  3. Which is funny because my blog links heavily to the site he doesn't want, and also is almost exclusively me telling people they are going to hell.
  4. LOL!
  5. Matthew 24:
    12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.

  6. Psalm 51:
    5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
    And in sin my mother conceived me.

  7. Genesis 1:
    31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

  8. Maybe not beautiful, but it had legs anyway. It didn't look so off-putting at first. Genesis 3:
    14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:

    “Because you have done this,
    You are cursed more than all cattle,
    And more than every beast of the field;
    On your belly you shall go,
    And you shall eat dust
    All the days of your life.

  9. I don't know what this is supposed to mean. "R."
  10. I sent him the message, "Check out http://atruechurch.info/ - Don't go to hell like the rest of the world!"

  11. Darwin: If you said that, I would encourage you not to put it so specifically, in hope of their understanding. Because, he's going to hell, because he doesn't believe God's Word. Not believing the Scriptures on God creating evil (Isaiah 45:7) simply illustrates his unbelief.

    Pro 16:4 would have been good to mention also. "The Lord has made all for Himself,
    Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom."

  12. Hey, it was your idea buddy! Then you go and rat me out?
  13. Really, really.
  14. So then don't forbid it from the public channel. You can't control who I send private messages.
  15. He commanded the Bible bot to post Timothy 3:9, but such a verse does not exist, and the bot gave instead Titus. Perhaps he meant to do Titus; it sorta seems to fit the context.
  16. Apparently a lie. Or else he got a complaint in less than a minute.

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