Let’s see what the Republic has to say:
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1797998 << heh, a response to "i tell people what not to do"i -- shivalry, did you know the Bible tells us to encourage your indulgences for so long as God hasn't forced you to believe in Him?ii
a111:iii Logged on 2018-04-13 04:40 shivalry: Do you live a Christian lifestyle?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron amusingly enough, the argument can well be brought that the seeking lost are closer than the content.iv
danielpbarron: !~bible pro 31:6
jhvh1:v danielpbarron: [KJV]
Proverbs 31:6 :: Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, yes i was just discussing that yesterday. the lost man who thinks his life sucks verses the lost man who thinks his life is great : the former is at least one step closer to the truth of the matter
mircea_popescu: by the time some waitress somewhere's willing to try just about any chemsludge in the hope she might extract herself from the imposition of the world as she perceives it, you'd be at serious pains to show her much of a sinner.
mircea_popescu: but of course, the methodist heresy is strong in our colonies, they imagine sin is the form of sinvi to avoid looking at the substance of anything.
danielpbarron: !~bible rom 3:23
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV]
Romans 3:23 :: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;danielpbarron: not so painful there
mircea_popescu: well yes in that sense.
mircea_popescu: but i said ~much~ of a sinner.
danielpbarron: drunkards wills not inherit the kingdom of God;vii a lost man is not saved by drinking a lot -- the strong drink offer is twofold: if you are going to perish (burn in hell), you might as well enjoy life now ; and, maybe in your drunkeness you will see the folly of your lifestyle, and turn to God
mircea_popescu: the brief discussion supports the interpretation, her justification ultimately was "maybe i find something".viii
danielpbarron: but the lost man is not saved by his abstinenceix either
danielpbarron: and in living what he imagines to be a righteousx lifestyle, is perhaps less likely to turn to the truth
- Previously in the chat:
mircea_popescu: so what do you do, other than having big eyes ?
shivalry: Waitress
shivalry: Hard sometimes but tips well.
shivalry: You?
mircea_popescu: i mostly tell people what not to do.
shivalry: [tongue sticking out face emoji]
shivalry: Any suggestions?
mircea_popescu: well, i don't know you well enough.
shivalry: Do you live a Christian lifestyle?He said “I tell people what not to do” and her second inclination (after asking to be told what to do) was to assume this was a Christian bent — the whole, “stop shoving your Bible down my throat” meme. The world of false christianity is largely composed of telling other people what not to do; be it through shaming peers when they meet at their weekly social club (“church”) or the ever more obnoxious: legislating false morality to force on everyone else. See: laws on drugs, alcohol, gambling, and polygyny. ↩
- See:
Romans 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Emphasis added. ↩
- a111 is a bot that prints referenced log lines again in the chat. This is one of many reasons IRC and self-hosted services beats FaceBook and any other “social media” clap-trap IRC-knockoffs. ↩
- Sure, if they are content in false belief. Otherwise, no:
Philippians 4:10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
- jhvh1 is yet another bot (we have a lot of them) only this one lets you quickly reference Bible verses in the chat, among many other useful features. ↩
- The whole, you will not be saved for your works, thing. The “heretics” think they will be saved for conforming to an appearance of righteousness, despite the fact that they do not have faith in Jesus Christ. They are like the Pharisees:
Matthew 23:25 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
- See:
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Emphasis added. ↩
- I hope she does:
Matthew 7:7 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
Emphasis added. ↩
- See:
2 Timothy 1:9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
Emphasis added. ↩
- See:
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away.
7 And there is no one who calls on Your name,
Who stirs himself up to take hold of You;
For You have hidden Your face from us,
And have consumed us because of our iniquities.Emphasis added. ↩