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evilytwisted: Hi, if anyone is available, I would like to prod and poke at your brain for a few.
thunor: I am available.
evilytwisted: I would like to if you don't mind, read an article and tell me why or why not you believe in the article on what its trying to say,
thunor: I'm not christian.
evilytwisted: And?
thunor: Okay.
evilytwisted: I'm not a purple orange screaming Justin Beiber lyrics. https://applygodsword.com/god-does-everything-for-his-own-glory-verses/.i
Daniel: Evilytwisted, hi.
thunor: I read a bit of your article but got bored as I'm drunk.
Daniel: I'm reading it now. Comments forthcoming.
I believe you would discover God does everything ultimately for himself, for his glory.This is correct.
evilytwisted: Okay, so if you don't mind. Can you send your responses on why you believe what you believe, to my email so i can forward this on to my friend?
Daniel: So far, I like all the scripture reference.
evilytwisted: I've talked to many people about this, non denominations, denominations etc.
Daniel: I can put this log in a paste that you can link him to.
evilytwisted: Okay. That's fine as well. I just would like a thorough viewpoint from you, and please understand, my name is meant for a joke, I'm not evil or twisted.
Daniel:
He allows some people to die so he might be glorified (John 11:4ii).He doesn't just allow; He causes people to die. see: http://atruechurch.info/lordkills.html.
evilytwisted: I know it can be a bit unnerving.
ljrbot: John 11:4 -- And Jesus hearing it, said to them: This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God: that the Son of God may be glorified by it.
Daniel:
He allows some people to be sick so the power of God may be made known (John 9:3iii).He doesn't just allow them to be sick; He wounds. (Deuteronomy 32:39iv)
ljrbot: John 9:3 -- Jesus answered: Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents; but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Daniel:
If it didn't glorify God to make us, to save us, to love us, he wouldn't have done it.I don't know if we can speculate on what God "would have" done.
Daniel: Evilytwisted, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/eWsH7/?raw=true. Ugh why did that cut off.v
evilytwisted: Use http://www.pastebin.com. It's easier. Shorter links.
Daniel: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Slo5q/?raw=true. Would be nice if I could comment on the article itself. Why is it that so few bloggers allow comments.vi
evilytwisted: Well google documents lets you copy/paste the article. And then you could insert your comments?vii
Daniel: I have my own blog for doing that, and I will add this to my drafts.
evilytwisted: Okay. I appreciate the paste link from this IRCviii channel,ix but is there anyway I can get you to look through all of those verses, and tell me what you think on each one. When you are available.
Daniel: The stuff I didn't comment on is stuff I agree with. God causes all things, and it is indeed all for His glory. Where the author goes off track a little is suggesting God is "allowing" bad things to happen, rather than actively causing them.x
evilytwisted: I understand, I'm just trying to ask for a thorough comment on the article. When you aren't busy. I'm not asking right this very second. I'm not asking for it to be done in an hour, a day, or this week.
Daniel: I think I have already done that.
- "God Does Everything for His Own Glory" by Mark Ballenger. ↩
- John 11:
4 When Jesus heard that, He said, “This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it.”
- John 9:
3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him.
- Deuteronomy 32:
39 ‘Now see that I, even I, am He,
And there is no God besides Me;
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. - For some reason people use strange characters for things like quotation marks that, in this case, apparently jam up the bash script I use for wotpaste. ↩
- Specifically, "christian" bloggers. The ones that actually have comments enabled, most of the time do not approve my comments. Why do they hide criticism? They suppress the truth. (Romans 1:18) Contrast with my blog, where all are welcome to comment with the harshest criticism, and yet few do! ↩
- It's sad that the go-to solution most people come up with is the fast and free one, but that also puts personal content in the hands of a small oligopoly of media companies. ↩
- "Internet Relaly Chat." ↩
- "Channel," aka "chat room." ↩
Darwin: Indeed, all things are of Him, through Him, and to Him. (Romans 11:36) But, at the same time, Scripture does use the concept of God allowing something. Acts 14:
16 who in bygone generations allowed all nations to walk in their own ways.