Daniel P. Barron

She shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.

Wednesday, February 5, 2020

bunny: whats ur thoughts on sex before marriage
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I support sex before marriage
Daniel: sex "before" marriage is prostitutioni
Daniel: but marriage doesn't need to be anything more than knowing in your heart that you are marriedii
bunny: daniel are we married yet
Daniel: no
bunny: why not
Daniel: well for one i have never seen your face
bunny: do you want to?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Wait a second
Daniel: if you want to show your face that's fine, but another thing is i don't know that you agree with me on Scripture
As Abxve Sx Belxw: How is sex before marriage prostitution? if I am not paying her there is no purchase being made. It is consensual sex, nothing more
bunny: how can i show you if i can't send photos?
Daniel: Scripture calls it prostitution whether or not money is exchanged
Daniel: bunny i wouldn't worry about sending photos as it's a moot point. I meant more like we haven't met in person
bunny: daniel please
Daniel: i'm not going to commit to marriage with someone i haven't even met
bunny: i'm holy and decent looking
Daniel: go through http://atruechurch.info/whatmustido.html and tell me what you think
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I disagree with that. Prostitution in the very definition requires a transaction to be made.
If I love someone very much, and we are in an exclusive relationship marriage or not the sex is nothing but consensual and I see no wrong with being intimate with someone whom you share a very intimate part of yourself with.
Daniel: marriage doesn't mean "exclusive" as it's not wrong for a man to have multiple wivesiii
Daniel: anyway, if you don't fear God,iv everything you do is evilv
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I don't think having multiple wives is right either
bunny: I've already read the site daniel
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I don't believe in polygamy
Daniel: so then you have all sorts of things wrong @As Abxve Sx Belxw
bunny: when i joined i read the site
Daniel: http://atruechurch.info/polygamy.html
Daniel: bunny, read that page i linked to you specifically
bunny: yes sir3
Daniel: that is, the "what must i do" page
bunny: do you curse daniel
Daniel: you mean use language that gets bleeped on tv?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I don't think my way of thinking is wrong just because you view it so
Daniel: your way is wrong because it is not God's way
bunny: yes and the other words that arent bleeped
Daniel: i'm not against using them, like when i'm singing along to hip hop or something. But I don't use them around people who don't like them
As Abxve Sx Belxw: God's way is very wrong in it of itself.
I refuse to believe that selling your daughter for gems is acceptable, or that cheating on your wife is acceptable.
bunny: do you say [this particular word] daniel?
Daniel: yes i do
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Are you mormon?
Sword: @As Abxve Sx Belxw, Mormonism, a polytheism of corruptible man. http://atruechurch.info/mormonism.html
Daniel: no
bunny: daniel will you be my pastor
Daniel: no
bunny: :frowning: why not
As Abxve Sx Belxw: What are you Daniel?
Daniel: i'm not a pastor
Daniel: i'm a saint, above/below
Daniel: and having multiple wives isn't "cheating"
bunny: but ur like my pastor
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Yes, it is.
Daniel: i guess it's cheating if you stupidly promise your wife you won't marry another
As Abxve Sx Belxw: If the wife is not happy with it, if they have not explicitly said they are comfortable with you impregnating other women you are a man whore.
bunny: do you wanna have multiple wives daniel?
Daniel: i wouldn't marry a woman who isn't okay with it, obviously
Daniel: i don't seek to have even one wifevi
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Would you be fine with your women seeing other men?
Daniel: but a woman who isn't okay with that is not a believing woman
Daniel: no, that would be adultery, above/belowvii
As Abxve Sx Belxw: That my friend, is called a double standard
Daniel: yes, it is
Daniel: so what?
bunny: daniel why don't you want a wife
Daniel: i wouldn't mind having a wife, but I'm not like out looking for oneviii
As Abxve Sx Belxw: So what? How is it not also adultery for a man to cheat, but if a women does she is a whore
Daniel: Scripture says adultery is when a man takes another man's wifeix
bunny: daniel have you ever had sexual relations with woman
Daniel: yes
bunny: daniel can you say [a particular word] for me
Daniel: not here
bunny: why not :frowning:
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Daniel what are your views on Transexuals?
Daniel: it offends people here
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Why so?
Daniel: they are stupidx
Daniel: oh, maybe you think i was answering your transexual question, i wasn't
Daniel: my views on transexuals is that they are evilxi
bunny: daniel dmxii me and say it
Daniel: nah
bunny: why not :frowning:
Daniel: i don't want to now stop asking
As Abxve Sx Belxw: So explain to me this Daniel, if Transsexuals are evil how is a god that wishes to burn you for having opposite views or ways of thinking/gods to believe in any less or more than evil? he has drowned this earth correct? over something he created, he perpetrated. He gave us the power to sin, and in that aspect is the creator of all sin as well.
Daniel: God causes us to sin, in fact.xiii
Daniel: bunny, i say all words in the right context
bunny: ooooo lalala
bunny: i like our talks
Daniel: God creates the wicked for destruction to show his power and wrath.xiv There is no unrighteousness in Him for this, as He is the one who says what is good and what is bad.xv
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Ok, so if he decides what is good and bad how do atheists in other nations where they know not of god know not to murder? know not to rape? surely there must be some way that all good or bad is not objective through God.
bunny: daniel is rape bad
Daniel: everyone knows God is real.
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Prove it.
Daniel: Romans 1:18-23
Scripture: Romans 1:18-23 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<18> For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, <19> because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. <20> For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, <21> because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. <22> Professing to be wise, they became fools, <23> and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

As Abxve Sx Belxw: Give me physical proof that god exists, that isn't within scripture or another writing done by man kind.
Daniel: bunny, rape is bad, yes.xvi
bunny: oh damn
Daniel: As above, you have your proof. The heavens declare it.xvii It is self-evident.
bunny: can men be raped by women ?
Daniel: i guess so
Daniel: that is, it is possible technicallyxviii but it's bad
As Abxve Sx Belxw: If you cannot support your claims through non scripture or written down passages then your proof is forfeit and therefore stands no grounds.
Daniel: You cannot believe unless God causes you to believe.xix May He save you.
bunny: daniel what are your thoughts on pregnancy before marriage
As Abxve Sx Belxw: One day, the world will unveil this terrible cloak from their eyes. They are being blinded by foretold lies in passages and scriptures and the veil being removed will forever enlighten man kind of their true nature. May your veil come off just as easy as mine was.
Daniel: my veil came off already. I grew up atheist
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I grew up Lutheran.
Daniel: pregnancy before marriage is same as sex before marriage, no?
Daniel: lutheranism leads to hell
bunny: didn't you have sex before marriage daniel?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: The only hell that exists is what man kind does to itself. It would do us well to stop dividing eachother and learn to love and respect and care for eachother.
bunny: does that mean ur going to hell :frowning:
Daniel: bunny, i have had sex and i've never been married yes
Daniel: no
bunny: why not
Daniel: as above, it's out of love for you that I warn you
Daniel: because I repented
bunny: so if you sin and repent you'll go to heaven?
Daniel: yes
bunny: what if i kill someone
Daniel: you can repent of murder and be saved
As Abxve Sx Belxw: What do you warn me of? I repented my whole life for a crime I did not commit.
It took me a while to learn that my sins were human nature, and may we all over come them through great effort.
bunny: so if i rape and kill you but i repent ill go to heaven?
Daniel: as above, if you do not fear God, He will destroy you forever in the lake of fire
Daniel: bunny, it is possible
bunny: noted
As Abxve Sx Belxw: One day when you rest your eyes for the final time Daniel, you will see that you were tricked.
I feel very sorry for you and those who aspire to become like you, because they are being lead down a path of self doubt, victimhood and downright degeneracy and double standards.
Onece their veil is released, they will see that heaven is what we make it here on earth and how we treat others and mold our society will forever change that.
Daniel: there is freedom for me now as i believe. The requirements of Scripture are less burdensome than those of the worldxx
Daniel: for example as you have pointed out, on the matter of polygyny
bunny: daniel u ever edate
Daniel: what is edate
bunny: online dating
Daniel: what is that
As Abxve Sx Belxw: When you meet someone online and date them through the internet
Daniel: like.. you don't meet up in person?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Well, Sometimes some people do
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I met up with my Russian Girlfriend so it does happen
Daniel: i have gone on dates, and i would go on more dates, but i don't understand how you go on a date over the internet
Daniel: for me, it's like you go to a restaurant and have a meal together while talking
Daniel: if it's just online chatting i don't see how it's any different from what we are doing now
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Uhm, Maybe I can explain better
As Abxve Sx Belxw: So in online dating, you openly say you are dating or WITH that person and you video chat and things like that, if you're like me and my girlfriend we met up after a few months of online dating and now we're happily together in real life
Daniel: oh no i don't date like that in person either
Daniel: that's retarded
Daniel: you're either married or you're not
As Abxve Sx Belxw: that's not what marriage is lol
Daniel: yes it is
Daniel: what you call dating is fornicating or something weird
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Marriage comes when having the ceremony for marriage, you don't just say "ok hurr durr we're married now"
Daniel: no ceremony is needed for marriagexxi
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I'm sorry but that's retarded lol
Daniel: yes, you literally can simply say "we are married now"
Daniel: Scripture puts no such burden as you describe
Daniel: again, an example of the freedom of faith in Christ
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Freedom? Freedom which enslaves women but liberates only men who openly have double standards and kill in the name of a false god
Daniel: who do I kill?
Daniel: and this is freedom for women as well. Neither party must wait months or years being "engaged." Want to have sex? Be married today.
Daniel: and it's freedom for women because she may marry the man she loves even if he is already married
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I could just have sex without any of that, no marriage, no nothing.
Daniel: see <every american movie ever>
Daniel: well that is prostitution, and it's not very kind for the women you defile
As Abxve Sx Belxw: It is not defiling if she is consenting. If she wants to have my seed, so shall it be.
Daniel: "i can have sex with all the women i want without marrying them, but you are the wrong one for actually staying with the women you have sex with and never leave them"
Daniel: you are all twisted up man ^
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Sounds like you are projecting to me
Daniel: that is something you have basically said
As Abxve Sx Belxw: No, It is not.
Daniel: you say it's wrong for a man to have multiple wives, but it's not wrong to have sex with multiple women and leave them
Daniel: you are evil
As Abxve Sx Belxw: You are twisting the meaning behind what I said.
Daniel: no i'm not; that's literally what you said
As Abxve Sx Belxw: How can you tell me what I said, Only I say what I say, you do not speak for me
Daniel: is it wrong for a man to have sex with multiple women and not stay with them?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: It is not wrong for a man OR a woman (while not in an relationship) to have sex openly with who they want.
ONCE they commit they should stay within their relationship, or that is cheating. For the man, AND woman.
Daniel: so then the answer is yes, simply say yes
Daniel: or rather no
Daniel: the answer is no
Daniel: your answer, correct?
Daniel: it's not wrong
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Look at you, You cannot even decide what I said
Daniel: is it wrong for a man to have sex with multiple women and not stay with them?
Daniel:

As Abxve Sx Belxw: I could just have sex without any of that, no marriage, no nothing.

Daniel: so then your answer is no.
Daniel: it's not wrong
As Abxve Sx Belxw:

It is not wrong for a man OR a woman (while not in an relationship) to have sex openly with who they want.
ONCE they commit they should stay within their relationship, or that is cheating. For the man, AND woman.

Daniel: okay, and is it wrong for a man to have multiple wives?
Daniel: that is, is it wrong for a man to have sex with multiple women and stay with them for the rest of his life?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Yes. You should only stay with one woman while committed.
Just as a woman should stay with one man while she is committed.
Daniel: that is, have sex with them and not leave them
Daniel: okay so you say it is better to abandon the women you have had sex with
As Abxve Sx Belxw: What is your view on divorce, Daniel?
Daniel: that is evil
Daniel: divorce is not goodxxii
Daniel: God hates it; it is violentxxiii
bunny: ur evil daniel
As Abxve Sx Belxw: It is evil for me to abandon old partners, but you can abandon as many women as you want and move on to many more wives so long as you "marry" them? you are the truly evil one
Daniel: i didn't say any man should abandon women he has had sex with; where have you gotten that?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: How can you withhold many wives and care and love for them all? you cannot.
Daniel: how can you love multiple children?
Daniel: this is a stupid argument
Daniel: it is possible to love many
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Children are different from spouses, that is a stupid argument
Daniel: yeah, people often say the love of their children is greater than the love of their spouse..
Devin: Wait
Devin: This is called Broadway. Is this in Tennessee?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: How do you feel about the Catholic church and the rise of pedophilia incidents occurring more and more within that faith?
Daniel: Devin, we are on the internet. It's not in any one state.
Daniel: catholicism leads to hellxxiv and homosexuality is also evilxxv
Devin: My friend almost died today but thank the Lord we are ok
As Abxve Sx Belxw: How is Homosexuality evil? if two men want to lie with one another how do they affect you and your kin Daniel?
Daniel: they defile the nation and the land with their disgusting sexual immoralityxxvi
Daniel: cities have been destroyed over this issuexxvii
As Abxve Sx Belxw: They have been destroyed by religious people, believing homosexuals are the ones causing the fires, but it was always the catholic church burning their houses and families as if they are witches!
Daniel: no, i mean cities like sodom, which God destroyed
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Once again, an example of your "God" destroying something because he gave people free will to make their own choices and didn't like the result it yielded.
Daniel: there is no free will. God causes people to be homosexuals
bunny: why
Daniel: to destroy themxxviii
As Abxve Sx Belxw: If he causes homosexuals, then he creates evil, if he creates evil, he himself, IS evil.
Daniel: He creates evil, but He is not evil.
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I find it mighty interesting that in these scriptures, God is frequently appearing to people, pastors and people of God but once we have cameras, and things to record his "majesty" he never shows up any longer in modern times
Daniel: there may have existed cameras then; we don't know
Daniel: some of the times He appeared to people, it was in such a way that it would look unremarkable on film
sveta: if there were cameras we'd have proof, like pictures or someone describing a camera... we dont have any evidence of any kind of camera at all...
Daniel: for example when He came to Abraham as three menxxix
Daniel: sveta, lack of such pictures doesn't prove there were no cameras
As Abxve Sx Belxw: That for lack of a better phrase makes no sense.
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Most of the proof come from scripture, or passages written by men who could easily lie.
Daniel: absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence
Daniel: Scripture is God, and God doesn't liexxx
sveta: but you can't draw a conclusion from evidence that's absent
Daniel: all I said was we don't know if there were cameras then
Daniel: y'all are the ones asserting the thing that has no proof
sveta: scripture has many flaws and contradictions and immoral actions... it's all myths
Daniel: there are no contradictions in Scripture
Devin: Do good guys.
As Abxve Sx Belxw: There are several contradictions and double standard in scripture.
Daniel: double standards, yes. Contradictions, no
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Both, Yes.xxxi
sveta: also, rewarding rape, stoning your children, etc, it's full of evil
Daniel: rewarding rape? who said that?
sveta: it says that if a man rapes a woman, he then gets to marry her...xxxii which would reward his disgusting action and victimize the woman for the rest of her life...
Daniel: heh "gets to" you mean "has to"
Daniel: it's no reward to be compelled to marry a woman who doesn't want to have sex with you
sveta: but if you force her and rape her then she will be forced to marry you.... sooo you know loophole
As Abxve Sx Belxw: ^
Daniel: to be married to such a woman can be a fate worse than death
sveta: what? to be married to a woman that you just raped is worse than death?
sveta: life for that woman can be worse then death... not the man...
Daniel: if she is a contentious woman
Devin: Stop this Blasphemy lets talk about Jesus and how great he is
sveta: what.... a man chooses to rape a woman and then she is forced to marry her... and that's ok?
Daniel: Proverbs 21:9
Scripture: Proverbs 21:9 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<9> Better to dwell in a corner of a housetop, Than in a house shared with a contentious woman.

Daniel: Ecclesiastes 7:26
Scripture: Ecclesiastes 7:26 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<26> And I find more bitter than deathThe woman whose heart is snares and nets, Whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God shall escape from her, But the sinner shall be trapped by her.

sveta: it's an innocent woman who the man choses to rape... .then she is forced into life of being a victim of that... and it's her fault for some reason? t
sveta: that's really freaking messed up...
Daniel: it's not her fault, but that is the best way to go about it
Daniel: unless she is already married in which case the man should be stoned to deathxxxiii
sveta: really...... so raping a woman, and then forcing her to marry you... after just assaulting her is the best way to go about? why not freaking stone the man for the disgusting act he just did.....
sveta: even if she isnt married, the rapist should be stoned!!!!!!!!
Daniel: because the punishment for rape is not death, unless the woman raped is already married to another manxxxiv
Daniel: the punishment for rape is forced marriage
sveta: that's insanely harmful crap you are believing and it's very harmful to society....
Daniel: no it isn't
sveta: a rape victim is now for life obligated to be assaulted by the man that raped her is one of the worst things you could put a woman though... that's seriously messed up and i'm glad we live in a country that doesnt enforce biblical laws because many women would be killing themselves in that situation...
Daniel: or women would perhaps not go about carelessly in the way they dress and the way they act
Daniel: for example the women in our church don’t go out alonexxxv and they usually also carry firearms
sveta: this is biblical times...... women were super covered.....
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Are you seriously going to say women are at fault for being raped? you are a total sociopath! you really are evil
sveta: and even now if a woman gets raped it's NOT her fault.... it's the rapists fault
sveta: and he shouldnt be rewarded with a wife.....
WeEatnKid: should they bring back stoning?
Daniel: i’m in favor of stoning but i’m not a fan of the U.S. gov to do it
sveta: yea, stone your child for not doing what you want them to...xxxvi
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I tell you what we should do, we should bring stoning back....for them!
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Yes, stone your wife for not agreeing with you in everything, or your child
sveta: stoning your own freaking kid.......
Daniel: i would not advise the women in my church to go out alone dressed any way they like; call that what you want
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I say Daniel, I think you are a troll
sveta: how much more evil can you get?
sveta: Daniel, if you honestly believe the things you do, you are a danger to society
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Agreed
bunny: disagree
Daniel: “it’s okay to go out alone half naked sweetie. If a man rapes you it’s his fault not yours!”
sveta: YES
As Abxve Sx Belxw: YES! a man should have self control!
Daniel: that’s retarded
sveta: he did the rape.... you didnt rape you... HE raped you
sveta: seriously have questions as to how many women you raped
Daniel: i’m not saying men who believe shouldn’t have self control. I’m saying such advice is bad because most people don’t believe and don’t have self control
sveta: because if you cant' control yourself then who should be accountable for . your actions?
sveta: christianity teaches men not to have self control and that's dangerous
Daniel: believers should not rape, but most people don’t believe
As Abxve Sx Belxw: If you can't control yourself not to rape then quite frankly you are the type of person who should be locked in jail.
Your teachings would get many men arrested in many countries, including the US
Why do you think there was a seperation of church from state? because your religion is dangerous, and a scourge
Daniel: actually it teaches believers to have self control
sveta: most people dont rape....
Daniel: you are a liar
Daniel: but some people do rape, no?
WeEatnKid: you guys really arent good at this. not sure how you put up with this, Daniel
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I don't know about you Daniel, but I have not touched a single woman who did not say she wanted me to come down on her.
Daniel: i’m very patient, i think, WeEatn
As Abxve Sx Belxw: We Eatn You haven't even contributed once, not sure where you get off on that high horse of yours.
WeEatnKid: i can have an opinion
Daniel: sure he has, you don’t even know
sveta: most countries that follow closer to the biblical principals have far more rape then countries that are secular...
As Abxve Sx Belxw: ^
Daniel: i know of zero countries that enforce the law of God
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I guess middle eastern countries don't exist...
sveta: that shows that not believing holds you accountable for rape.... biblical principals teach men that they have no control and if they feel turned on by a woman and they rape her, it's not their fault...
Daniel: islam is wicked; that is not the law of Godxxxvii
Daniel: sveta, that’s a lie
As Abxve Sx Belxw: It's not a lie...
Daniel: 2 timothy 3:3
Scripture: 2 Timothy 3:3 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<3> unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,

Daniel: titus 1:8
Scripture: Titus 1:8 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<8> but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled,

sveta: you, yourself said that if a woman dresses a certain way then she causes the man to rape her which indicates that it's her fault that she got raped....
WeEatnKid: you guys need to realize that anything you want to assert over Daniel, you really should find the appropriate scripture
sveta: that shows that men have no self control and excuse them from rape
Daniel: 2 peter 1:5-7
Scripture: 2 Peter 1:5-7 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<5> But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, <6> to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, <7> to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.

As Abxve Sx Belxw: This is coming from someone supporting the guy who says what we say is a lie, but only ever uses scripture as evidence, instead of real world occurrences or appearances to support his claims
sveta: i can find scripture to justify anything: rape, slavery,xxxviii slaughter, stoning my kids, etc.... that doesnt help
Daniel: sveta, i said that women behaving that way do so carelessly without regard for the bad things that might befall them
Daniel: it’s a stupid way to behave, assuming everyone in the world is kind and good
sveta: which STILL puts the blame of rape on HER.... the guy raped her...
Daniel: i do not blame her, but i still say to her and others not to do such things as it might have bad consequences
sveta: if we hold the man who did the rape accountable instead of shaming the women and making it their fault, then this wouldnt be a problem
Daniel: that’s absurd. men are held accountable and they still do it
sveta: except they get a freaking wife...
As Abxve Sx Belxw: The guy is the one perpetrating the crime, therefore in any aspect it is his FAULT. He is committing the crime, the woman standing there is the victim.
Daniel: that isn’t the law that is enforced..
sveta: that's not accountable, that's a reward...
Daniel: you keep calling it a reward; that is another lie
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Being held accountable would be a prison sentence, which is what rapists get in modern day. THAT is being held accountable.
Daniel: anyway, women have no say in the matter according to the law of God. maybe that is your hang up
sveta: getting a wife after raping a woman is a freaking reward.... he should have been put to death...
Daniel: that’s simply not true
Daniel: being forced to marry a woman who doesn’t want to have sex with you is hardly a reward
sveta: alright, i'm done with your mesogenistic bull.... your views are so dangerous and i feel so sorry for your wife
Daniel: ask .. most american men, haha
Daniel: i don’t have any wives
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I can see why...
sveta: you still get to freaking rape her after you marry her
sveta: that's a REWARD... it's a problem in the U.S. because you can't rape your wife legally... but based on the bible once you're married she's your property and you can do what you want... that's HARMFUL
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Sveta, don't give up on it. You need to be able to stand strong if you're going to disagree with someone that's part of debating. It's part of ideas clashing, just because what he says is annoying or stupid that doesn't mean we can just disregard it
Daniel: even in marriage rape is not okay to do for a believer, and in the law i would say it’s addressed as “loving your neighbor”
sveta: yea, but there is no getting through to such an evil thinking person who wants to control and harm anyone who's in contact with him
Daniel: leviticus 19:18
Scripture: Leviticus 19:18 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<18> You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Daniel: i do not wish to harm anyone
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Oh boy, another loop hole
As Abxve Sx Belxw: In fact they should call the bible a worm's dream because of all the loop holes and multiple contradictions
Daniel: what contradiction do you see?
sveta: raping a woman is harm... and forcing her to mary a rapist is harm...
sveta: there, contradiction
Daniel: well that is the consequence for that situation, but loving your neighbor as yourself is still a thing
Daniel: it’s also harm to stone someone to death but if your neighbor is a murderer he should be stoned to deathxxxix
As Abxve Sx Belxw:

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18

Scripture: Genesis 32:30 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<30> So Jacob called the name of the place Peni′el, saying, "For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved."

Scripture: John 1:18 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<18> No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.

Daniel: that’s a bit off topic, no?
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Doesn't matter? it is a contradiction in the bible.xl
Daniel: no it isn’t
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Yes, it quite literally is. You are denying it straight up to the face. You are lying through your teeth.
Daniel: “and yet my life is preserved”
Daniel: because that is a miracle. To see God face to face is to die
sveta: yea, that's super obvious word for word contradiction
As Abxve Sx Belxw:

“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

Scripture: Ezekiel 18:20 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<20> The soul that sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Scripture: Exodus 20:5 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)

<5> you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

sveta: he still saw the face of god.... and then it says that no one has... .
Daniel: as above, i’m not interested in having you copy paste from an article of alleged contradictions.xli Simply paste the link to the articlexlii
sveta: yea, that's a blatant contradiction too....xliii
Daniel: i will have to remove you from the conversation if you continue
sveta: it's in your bible tho... so doesnt matter where he copies it from.... it's still there
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I am not interested in you typing in the name of a verse only to have the bot grab it for you. You have another double standard there.
Daniel: when i have an article to link to, i link the article
As Abxve Sx Belxw: As such, you have shown me you are nothing but double standards and contradicts, remove me from the conversation for being right!
Daniel: stop being spammy
sveta: you're just trying to steer the topic away from the fact that he just brough VERY clear contradictionsxliv
As Abxve Sx Belxw: I am being spammy by showing actual contradictions? hahaha
Daniel: those are not contradictions
As Abxve Sx Belxw: Stop deflecting Daniel, that's all you are doing.
Daniel: it’s one thing if you’d like to learn how each one is not a contradiction; it’s another to rapid fire paste one after another without any chance to discuss themxlv
As Abxve Sx Belxw: You are a fraud, and I am finished with this argumentative loop. You ask us to provide our evidence, so I have and then you claim we are being spammy for doing so.
Kindly, up yours.
Daniel: dooie
sveta: Daniel, you got some weak arguments, terrible beliefs, and i'm so glad you dont have a wife to abuse... i'm done too
Daniel: hm, ok

  1. See "God gave them up to vile passions."
  2. See "How do you become married according to the Bible?"
  3. See "Polygamy" and "David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, and had not turned aside from anything that He commanded him all the days of his life."
  4. See "The True Fear of God"
  5. Psalm 14:
    3 They have all turned aside, They have together become corrupt; There is none who does good, No, not one.

    Proverbs 28:

    9 One who turns away his ear from hearing the law, Even his prayer is an abomination.

  6. 1 Corinthians 7:
    8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

    This doesn't mean it's wrong to seek a wife. It simply means it's not wrong to remain single.

  7. Romans 7:
    2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

  8. I am technically using a dating app, but it's mostly for the purpose of preaching the Word. If it results in me finding a wife, something of which I am highly skeptical, that would be a good bonus.
  9. Leviticus 20:
    10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.


  10. Darwin: They are stupid for being offended at foul language?
    Daniel: for being offended at singular words, regardless of the context
    Darwin: So, people in the fellow are stupid for being offended at singular words?
    Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth (Ephesians 4:29)
    So, there is no such thing as a "corrupt word"?
    Daniel: this came up last night. That specific words aren’t in and of themselves bad
    Darwin: And you are stupid, if you think otherwise?
    Daniel: isn’t it stupid to call something bad without Scripture to back it up?
    Darwin: Being offended and calling something bad is not the same thing
    Romans 14
    Otherwise, the weak in faith are stupid.
    Daniel: yeah i see stupid is a bad word to use in this case

    Matthew 5:

    22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

  11. See "All who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God."
  12. "Direct message."
  13. Isaiah 45:
    7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

    2 Samuel 12:

    11 Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

    12 For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.

    Amos 3:

    6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

    Lamentations 3:

    37 Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

    38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?

  14. Romans 9:
    22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

    Proverbs 16:

    4 The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.

  15. Romans 9:
    14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.


  16. Darwin: Rape is considered to be "just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him" (Deuteronomy 22:26), and is punishable by death (e.g. Deuteronomy 22:25). Except, in the case of the rape of a virgin, if "they are found out." The law that would apply is found in Deuteronomy 22.

    “If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

    Our culture is likely blind to the blessing this could be for the virgin. But, witnessed to be so in Scripture, the marriage of a virgin, especially the permanence of said marriage, could be to the great advantage of the girl. Scripture testifies to the poverty and trouble that can come upon a woman who is without a husband, that is, someone who can take care of her (e.g. Deuteronomy 24:19-21; Ruth, 1 Timothy 5:3f; James 1:27).

    Furthermore, the law also allows for mercy, in this case, mercy toward the girl.

    “I desire mercy and not sacrifice, and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings” (Hosea 6:6).

    The law dictates, “you shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18). The judges in this case (Deuteronomy 16:18; 17:8-11) would have the freedom to not force marriage upon the woman, if love and justice dictated so (Micah 6:8). The woman is the innocent party (e.g. Deuteronomy 22:26), and is not the one to be punished. Finally, this punishment for the man could be “worse than death” (Ecclesiastes 7:26).

  17. Psalm 19:
    1 The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.

    Psalm 50:

    6 Let the heavens declare His righteousness, For God Himself is Judge. Selah

    Psalm 97:

    6 The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples see His glory.


  18. Darwin: Boy, I don't know. A man has to be aroused. I don't know how that could be possible. When he is not wanting it.
    Daniel: It would be tricky but i imagine he could be restrained and fed some drug that causes arousal.
    Darwin: Viagra

    Darwin: Can a woman rape a man? According to Merriam Webster's definition of rape, yes.

    unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception (merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape)

    So they made their father drink wine that night. And the firstborn went in and lay with her father, and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. (Genesis 19:33)
    BTW, there is no specific term either in the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures for "rape."
    Dennis: I think women get what they want in a less ham-fisted way. Seduction is their proven method and not always because of a desire to be sexually gratified. There’s power in that tutie.

  19. John 6:
    44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

  20. Matthew 11:
    30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”

    Matthew 23:

    4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

    Luke 11:

    46 And He said, “Woe to you also, lawyers! For you load men with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers.

    1 John 5:

    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

  21. See "Doesn’t marriage need to be legally binding?"
  22. See "Divorce & Remarriage"
  23. Malachi 2:
    16 “For the Lord God of Israel says
    That He hates divorce,
    For it covers one’s garment with violence,”
    Says the Lord of hosts.
    “Therefore take heed to your spirit,
    That you do not deal treacherously.”

  24. See "Roman Catholicism Leads To Hell"
  25. See "Homosexuality & Marriage"
  26. Leviticus 18:
    24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you. 29 For whoever commits any of these abominations, the persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

    30 ‘Therefore you shall keep My ordinance, so that you do not commit any of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves by them: I am the Lord your God.’ ”

  27. Genesis 19:
    4 Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. 5 And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”

    Genesis 19:

    24 Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 So He overthrew those cities, all the plain, all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.

  28. Romans 1:
    24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    Psalm 92:

    5 O Lord, how great are Your works!
    Your thoughts are very deep.
    6 A senseless man does not know,
    Nor does a fool understand this.
    7 When the wicked spring up like grass,
    And when all the workers of iniquity flourish,
    It is that they may be destroyed forever.

  29. See "The Three Men of Genesis 18 Are God."
  30. John 1:
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Titus 1:

    2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,


  31. Darwin: Both double standards and contradictions according to men. Men are fools (Psalm 14) and their "wisdom" is foolishness to God.

    1 Corinthians 3:

    19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”

  32. Deuteronomy 22:
    28 “If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.

  33. Deuteronomy 22:
    23 “If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, 24 then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he humbled his neighbor’s wife; so you shall put away the evil from among you.

    25 “But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. 26 But you shall do nothing to the young woman; there is in the young woman no sin deserving of death, for just as when a man rises against his neighbor and kills him, even so is this matter. 27 For he found her in the countryside, and the betrothed young woman cried out, but there was no one to save her.


  34. Darwin: or engaged


  35. Darwin: [someone] does. She has been encouraged not too, but she does.

  36. Deuteronomy 21:
    18 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, 19 then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. 20 And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.

  37. See "The Quran: The Muslim Book Of The False Religion Of Islam"
  38. See "Slavery"
  39. Numbers 35:
    30 Whoever kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient testimony against a person for the death penalty.


  40. Darwin: The seeing God issue is well addressed in Exodus 33. There Moses talks to God "face to face." Yet, Moses asks to see His face. Moreover, when Christ was on earth MANY saw God (Christ). Yet, 1 Timothy says of Christ, "who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen." (1 Tim. 6:16). God has both been seen and not seen. As Moses asked in Exodus 33, "Show me your glory." And He responded, ""You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live." (Exod. 33:20)

  41. In the past when people start doing this, they typically end up flooding the chat with dozens of supposed contradictions without any interest in what the explanation might be.

  42. Darwin: Not a good move. He was simply quoting Scripture


  43. Darwin: Ezekiel 18 & Exodus 20 are two different, but indeed, similar situations. Context for Ezekiel 18 spells out what is going on there. That is one generational. Exodus 20, is third and forth generation. Yes, they can reap the great, and great great grandfather's sins. E.g. 2 Kings 24:3-4, Manasseh is long dead. Yet, those living here, the third and forth gen., inherit God's wrath from Manasseh's sins.

  44. This contradiction topic is itself a diversion from what we were originally discussing.

  45. Darwin: You could have simply addressed each one.

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