Daniel P. Barron

Not that anyone has seen the Father.

Thursday, May 28, 2020 

A few people question me on seeing God and the logic of Scripture.


Why do you think we are living in sin?

God has spread death to you through your relation to Adam.i


A living being that wasn't in our time caused us to sin, and we're going to hell if you don't believe in jesus.

God is the one who has caused you to sin. And yes, He will send you to hell if you don't believe.ii The way in which He has caused you to sin is through Adam.


Maybe you here don’t "hate" pagans, but a large majority of christians do. I thought God said that we should love everyone?

I hate everyone, as does God. I also love everyone, and that is why I warn them about God's wrath.


Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t know that in Christianism you hate everyone.. I am from a Muslim family so I read the Quran.. I thought it was almost the same thing but I think it’s different now... You shouldn't hate sinners.. I think you should hate nobody.

The Quran is a book of lies. You should hate sin and sinners.iii


Muslims and Christians believe in the same God, Muslims also believe in Jesus... They just believe that he isn’t the son of God...

In the way many false christians do not believe in the same God as us, the muslims do likewise.


So no one has ever questioned anything: that some idiot decided to listen to a snake, that ate an apple, now we are living in sin?

Scripture doesn't say it was an apple.iv


Well I’ve thought about how people know that god is real we’ve never seen him. At least I haven’t.

You have seen.v


Still though, it doesn't make sense.

It doesn't have to make sense.vivii


You wouldn't believe the bible if it didn't mention anything with hell.

I wouldn't believe if God didn't cause me to believe.viii It was not my will.ix


No I haven’t seen him or it whatever he or it is. I haven’t. I have grown up in a Christian household. I believed in your lord, but I am trying to put the pieces together, and it doesn’t make sense. How was your lord always just there; or was he born, and no one knows who gave birth. Where did he come from?

You likely grew up with false christians who believe in a different god. The real God has always been,x although He has been born.


Have you seen god? Have you touched god? Have you seen him face to face? Why is mediating bad when it's causing you to calm down and see yourself?

I have seen Him.xi I have touched Him in the sense that I have touched His body which is other believers.xii I don't think I've seen Him face to face yet. It's not wrong to meditate if you do it in faith.xiii


Do you guys know the WHOLE Bible??? by heart??

No. But that wouldn't be a bad thing to know.xiv


What lies. The bible even says, "no one has seen the father but me."xv CHRIST.

Jacobxvi has seen God.xvii Also, Christ says that those who see Him see the Father.xviii


Excuse me?! “I likely grew up with false Christians.” Who are you to say that. You don’t know my family, and I know I didn’t grow up that way!

Have a look at what we believe and tell me if your family would agree.


But that's Jacob in the old testament. We are now bond in a new one. We do not live by the old testaments.

The old testament is still true.xix


My family would think you are full of it. My family believes in your lord. Some of them don’t. And that’s okay, but to say that I grew up with false Christians..

If your family thinks we are wrong, then they are false christians.xx


The old testament is true, but this is a complete lie. You said that you have seen god. The bible says no one has seen the father but christ. Paul even says the old days were a curse we live in the new testament.

God is the heavens and I have seen them. Where does Paul say that?

  1. Romans 5:

    12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

  2. Romans 2:

    8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek;

  3. Psalm 5:

    5 The boastful shall not stand in Your sight;
    You hate all workers of iniquity.


    Romans 3:

    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

  4. Genesis 2:

    15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”


    Genesis 3:

    2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”

    4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

    6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

  5. Romans 1:

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

  6. Proverbs 3:

    5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
    And lean not on your own understanding;

  7. See also "This goes against all human rationality."

  8. John 15:

    16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.

  9. Romans 9:

    16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.

  10. Proverbs 8:

    23 I have been established from everlasting,
    From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.

  11. Psalm 19:

    1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
    And the firmament shows His handiwork.

  12. Romans 12:

    5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.

  13. 1 Corinthians 6:

    12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

  14. Ephesians 6:

    14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; 18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints— 19 and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

  15. John 1:

    18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.


    John 5:

    37 And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.


    John 6:

    46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.

  16. Israel

  17. Genesis 32:

    30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”

  18. John 14:

    7 “If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”


    John 14:

    9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

  19. Psalm 12:

    The words of the Lord are pure words,
    Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
    Purified seven times.
    7 You shall keep them, O Lord,
    You shall preserve them from this generation forever.


    Galatians 3:

    8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”

  20. Romans 15:

    6 that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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