honey [Pagan]: The Bible is scientifically disproven so the scripture is wrong.
Daniel: that's simply not true, @honey [Pagan]
honey [Pagan]: Also, DM Murdock proves that a historical Rabbi Jesus never existed, i thus you don't have a God in reality
Daniel: i'm no enemy of science, and I know the whole Bible is true
Daniel: i don't know who dm murdock is
Daniel: nor do i care who he is
CanadianCatholic: @honey [Pagan] DM Murdock was not a respectable scholar. She was an amateur at best and a pseudo-scholar at worst
honey [Pagan]: DM Murdock is a female and an unbiased academic source
honey [Pagan]: She is a credited and noteworthy scholar, it's historical fact that Rabbi Jesus is fictional and never existed
honey [Pagan]: Thus your whole "religion" falls apart
Daniel: Scripture says He exists, and in fact He is the Scripture
Daniel: my faith doesn't fall apart on the testimony of someone who joined my channel and made a bunch of extra biblical claims
honey [Pagan]: what do you and your church think of these sites?
https://exposingchristianity.com/
https://blacksforsatan.org/
https://satanisgod.org/
Daniel: the last two are silly, i'll see about the first
Daniel: https://exposingchristianity.com/ doesn't even load, but there is a 9 month old archived copy
Daniel: http://archive.is/C8J5e
Daniel:
Christians incessantly claim that "The Devil Deceives" "The Devil Deceives..." What they fail to see is that everything they accuse the Devil of is really the God that they worship, known as Yaweh/Jehova.
This is true.
honey [Pagan]: https://www.satanslibrary.org/ExposingChristianity/EXPOSING_CHRISTIANITY_MAIN.html
this is the current link
honey [Pagan]: :frowning:
Daniel: looks to be the same thing i found in archive
Daniel:
Everything that the Christians accuse the "Devil" of, is really of their own God. This is proven in the Biblical scriptures:
"A Murderer and a Liar from the Beginning"God kills, yes. But He's no murderer.
Daniel:
"Human Hating"
This is true.
Daniel:
The problem is that few people actually REALLY read the Bible. Most just believe what they are told regarding Christianity and the Bible. Few read it and can see it for what it is for.
Yep. Most people go to hell. And that includes most self-described christians.
Daniel: so far this article makes some really good points that our church agrees with.honey [Pagan]: "Most Christians and many others believe the Judeo/Christian Bible to be the word of "God." In truth, nearly everything within the Bible was stolen and corrupted from Pagan religions that predated Judeo/Christianity from hundreds to thousands of years, from all around the world, and in particular, the Far East."
Daniel: that's a lie
Daniel: The Bible is literally God, ii and He is from everlasting. iii
honey [Pagan]: PROOF:
https://www.satanslibrary.org/ExposingChristianity/Old_Testament.html
Daniel: i'm sure plenty of false religions have copied stuff from Scripture
Daniel: this is all very silly and unprovable nonsense
Daniel: i don't trust extra biblical history
honey [Pagan]: the religions listed pre-date the bible, rabbi jesus and the bibles writers by thousands of years. there are also hundreds of contradictions in the bible proving that its manmade and not from "god": https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/number.htmlYou will vomit up the little you have eaten and will have wasted your compliments.
Prov. 23:8STOLEN from:
"The mouthful of bread too great thou swallowest and vomitest up."
Amen-em-opet 14:13Scripture: Proverbs 23:8 - Revised Standard Version (RSV)
<8> You will vomit up the morsels which you have eaten, and waste your pleasant words.
Daniel:
the religions listed pre-date the bible, rabbi jesus and the bibles writers by thousands of years.
How could you know such a thing?
honey [Pagan]: This is a proven historical fact. Christianity is a relatively new religion, pre-abrahamic Paganism existed for hundreds of thousands of years before the Jewish-written Bible was ever even thought of.
Daniel: i don't see the similarity there, but even if it was an exact copy it wouldn't prove a thing
Daniel: there haven't been hundreds of thousands of years
honey [Pagan]: there are hundreds of contradictions in the bible proving that its manmade and not from "god": https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/number.html
Daniel: there are zero contradictions in the Bible
Daniel: you should slow down, i don't take kindly to spammy people
Daniel: i can't be expected to read these articles as fast as you have posted them
honey [Pagan]: The Earth is scientifically dated to be billions of years old. You can't simply deny or dismiss evidence. Then what are the contradictions listed in the link?
Daniel: that is not science
honey [Pagan]: Ok, I'll give u time
Daniel: i'm still on the article about the old testament, so which is it you want to discuss first?
Daniel:
Quote from the Talmud:
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen [Gentile] hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.This isn't in Scripture
Daniel:
Humanity's original religion was polytheistic [having many different Gods]. In the original Hebrew Bible, the word "Elohim" is used.
This is true.iv "He Is Holy Gods."
Daniel: much of this article is extra biblical nonsense
Daniel: i can only really comment on what Scripture says
Daniel: an author can claim all sorts of things but i always trust Scripture above all else
Daniel:
The "Flood" is another ancient ALLEGORY that was STOLEN and corrupted from the original Pagan religions and has to do with the flood of energy during the working of the Magnum Opus
No. Scripture says there was a literal flood.
Daniel: like.. with water.. not "energy"
Later on, the thread continues..
honey [Pagan]: The Jewish-written Bible has hundreds of contradictions which proves it's manmade/flawed and not from "god":
https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/number.html
Daniel: I don't see any contradictions, @honey [Pagan]
Daniel: and at least a few of the criticisms on that page are ones we agree with
honey [Pagan]: Satan means TRUTH in ancient Vedic Sanskrit, mankind's original language.
https://satanisgod.org/
https://blacksforsatan.org/
Daniel: For example:
Yes, the Bible approves of polygamy
We agree v
Daniel: ah i see it goes on to say
No, the Bible disapproves of polygamy
That's not true.
Daniel:
God created only one woman to be Adam's help meet. vi
So? That doesn't mean he can't have other wives.
Daniel:
Jesus seems to agree with this passage, saying that a man and a woman become "one flesh" in marrige, as it was in "the begining." vii
Indeed the two become one flesh, but again that doesn't mean a man can't become one flesh with other women.
Daniel:
Paul seemed to think that a marriage should only be between one man and one woman.
Let every man have his own wife viiiThis doesn't say "let every man have only one wife"
Darwin: You can't prove someone did NOT exist from history. That is seriously retarded.
- See "How do you know that Jesus is literally the Bible?" and "Are you saying that you worship the Bible?" ^
- Psalm 90:
2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
Psalm 93:
2 Your throne is established from of old; You are from everlasting.
Proverbs 8:
23 I have been established from everlasting, From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
Darwin: Oh, the polytheistic statement is wrong saying "different" Gods. The true Gods are one God.
- See "David did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, and had not turned aside from anything that He commanded him all the days of his life." and First time I've ever had someone come along arguing for polygamy from the scripture." and "God didn't explicitly say anything against it." ^
- Genesis 2:
18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
- Mark 10:
5 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6 But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ 7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
- 1 Corinthians 7:
2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.