OliviaFaith221B: Okay, so first off, suicide is not approved by the Catholic Church. i However, we believe that God is a perfect judge, and will take mental illness into account when judging them. Not that it means they will go to heaven, but we don't know for sure because Ibis notnour place to decide who is and isn't going to heaven or hell. And yeah, it is pretty obvious though why he is wrong. :woman_shrugging:
Daniel: God gives people mental illness for not believing in Him. (Romans 1:28-32)
Scripture: Romans 1:28-32 - New King James Version (NKJV)<28> And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; <29> being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, <30> backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, <31> undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; <32> who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Daniel: such people are not saved, and they go to hell.
OliviaFaith221B: LOL
There is so many things wrong with that I don't know where to start
Daniel: gotta start somewhere though
OliviaFaith221B: You sound like you aren't very open anyway
Daniel: your criticism is welcome. Please contend for the faith. (Jude 1:3)
Scripture: Jude 3 - New King James Version (NKJV)<3> Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
OliviaFaith221B: I just have to ask....is this a joke or no? Is it a test or something?
Daniel: no joke
OliviaFaith221B: Hmmm
What religion do you follow then? Is there a name for it?
Daniel: Christianity
OliviaFaith221B: Yes, but that is extremely broad, and there is no Christian religion with these views you talk about
OliviaFaith221B: Catholics are also Christians.
Daniel: catholics are false christians, as are most self described christians
OliviaFaith221B: Jesus started the Catholic Church himself. All other religions branch off from that.
OliviaFaith221B: You still didn't answer the question.
Daniel: how do you know Christ started your church?
OliviaFaith221B: Because that was his purpose. He gave us the Church
Daniel: yes but how do you know it's your church
OliviaFaith221B: Because it is the first church.
Daniel: how do you know?
OliviaFaith221B: After Old Testament, New Testament began. It is obvious that is was started by Jesus Christ. Religion before Jesus is no longer relevant after the Catholic Church was started, because it replaced them. He started it, and it continued after he died. He gave us Peter to lead it.
Daniel: how do you know the church Christ referred to is the catholic church?
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: @OliviaFaith221B when you lie to yourself you psychologically lose baseline, in order to sin to begin, a being born of god must be raised of man.
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: the inherent flaw to humanity is that we just didn't know any better, this was the purpose of jesus
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: we are children of the lesser god
OliviaFaith221B: God was raised by man.....Mary was human
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: mary was the holy spirit incarnate
Daniel: no she wasn't
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: 7 spirits corresponding to what though Daniel
OliviaFaith221B: Well....no. She was a human woman, who was given the grace to be sinless and perfect, therefore creating the perfect vessel for Jesus on earth.
Daniel: mary is not God. and she was not sinless.
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: was Jesus sinless?
OliviaFaith221B: LOL
Daniel: Christ is without sin
OliviaFaith221B: You know Old Testament, right?
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: who knows
Daniel: see "It’s like talking to a brick wall with you."
OliviaFaith221B: Just think about how exact and pure the Ark of the Covenant had to be. Do you really think that God would put his Son in a woman who was with sin? I think not.
Daniel: yes He would and did
OliviaFaith221B: Why.
OliviaFaith221B: Mary was only perfect because of God's grace.
Daniel: she wasn't perfect. She was a sinner like everyone else and had to repent like everyone else
Daniel: Romans 3:23
Scripture: Romans 3:23 - New King James Version (NKJV)<23> for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Daniel: you are adding to the Word. (Proverbs 30:6)
Scripture: Proverbs 30:6 - New King James Version (NKJV)<6> Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
OliviaFaith221B: Well, apparently you don't have the full Bible with the Deuterocanon
Daniel: the apocrypha?
OliviaFaith221B: And besides, your religion doesn't even have a name beyond Christianity Sounds like something you designed.
OliviaFaith221B: It is called the Deuterocanon
Daniel: we simply believe the whole Bible and fear God.
Joëlle♀: Why do people who follow the traditions of men feel like they must tack on some (man-made) name ?
OliviaFaith221B: The tradition was started by someone who was fully God and fully man so......
Daniel: God is a man.
OliviaFaith221B: Yes. But he is fully God too.
OliviaFaith221B: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
Daniel: you are saying a redundant thing. God is a man. A man is God.
OliviaFaith221B: HOLY TRINITY
Ever hear of it?
Daniel: the trinity is a false doctrine.
OliviaFaith221B: Lol
OliviaFaith221B: Even your base is wrong
Daniel: what do you think my base is?
OliviaFaith221B: So nothing else can be right.
OliviaFaith221B: Three in one is what God is. If you don't even know what God is, then nothing else can be right.
Daniel: God is not limited to being only three Gods.
OliviaFaith221B: He isn't three Gods
He is three in ONE
Daniel: those three are each a God.And there are more than those three which are also God.ii
OliviaFaith221B: No. They are NOT separate
Daniel: I didn't say they are separate. The Gods that are God are one God.
OliviaFaith221B: Then what other Gods are there that are also God
Daniel: the city of Jerusalem.
OliviaFaith221B: All you do is send links. Can you not explain it yourself?
Daniel: what's wrong with links?
OliviaFaith221B: Why can't you explain yourself
Daniel: i can
OliviaFaith221B: Good
Daniel: why can't you read an article?
OliviaFaith221B: I have to enable and it is a pain
Daniel: enable what?
OliviaFaith221B: :rolling_eyes:
OliviaFaith221B: Does it matter
No it doesn't
OliviaFaith221B: So how many of you are there
Daniel: in our church? about 40 i think
OliviaFaith221B: 40?
OliviaFaith221B: How old is your church
Daniel: 2 to 3 decades i think
OliviaFaith221B: So, who started your church
Daniel:Darwin Fish.iii
OliviaFaith221B: So, you would go with the church that is started by a dude and is about 30 years with 40 followers vs. a church that was started by God in the year 33 and is the largest church on earth.
Daniel: how do you know your church was started by God in the year 33?
Daniel: and on the matter of its size, see Matthew 7:13-14
Scripture: Matthew 7:13-14 - New King James Version (NKJV)<13> "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. <14> Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
OliviaFaith221B: History. There is plenty of historical record. Maybe, like, the BIBLE
Daniel: the Bible says no such thing. So what other history do you mean?
OliviaFaith221B: Holy Land
OliviaFaith221B: Written record
Daniel: how can you know anything outside of the Bible is even true?
OliviaFaith221B: Well, why discredit the Bible then if you don't believe anything outside of it
Daniel: who is discrediting the Bible?
OliviaFaith221B: It is the biggest proof there is
OliviaFaith221B: Jesus started the Catholic Church
Daniel: how do you know?
OliviaFaith221B: Because it didn't start before him, that's for sure. He started it, and it continued after his death through the Apostles
OliviaFaith221B: Just like counting backwards.
Daniel: yes but how do you know that is the catholic church?
OliviaFaith221B: Because he is present in it through the Eucharist
Daniel: Scripture doesn't say what happened afterwards. It doesn't say that the churches started by the apostles later went on to be the catholic church we see today. You are adding that bit.
OliviaFaith221B: Yes it does
Daniel: where?
OliviaFaith221B: Ever read the Gospels?
Daniel: yes
OliviaFaith221B: There you go
Daniel: there I go what?
OliviaFaith221B: Us Catholics don't add or subtract from the Bible
Daniel: you most certainly do
OliviaFaith221B: The Bible doesn't mention Darwin Fish, that's for sure
Daniel: I didn't say it does
Daniel: but if I did say such a thing, it would not be unlike your claim that it mentions the catholic church
OliviaFaith221B: Ahahaha but your church doesn't trace back to even the same time period as Jesus
OliviaFaith221B: It is quite obviously ONLY man made
Daniel: so then, where in the gospels does it say the church went on to become the catholic church we see today
OliviaFaith221B: Dude, look at tradition. Where else would it come from. Upon this rock Peter built Christ's church.
OliviaFaith221B: We aren't Jewish
Daniel: tradition? (Colossians 2:8)
Scripture: Colossians 2:8 - New King James Version (NKJV)<8> Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
OliviaFaith221B: Jews converted to Catholicism
Daniel: no, they became christians. Catholicism came later -- one of many other false churches God sent to deceive people.
OliviaFaith221B: LOL
OliviaFaith221B: God wants to deceive his people, huh?
Daniel: yes
OliviaFaith221B: Catholicism did not come later. It came first
OliviaFaith221B: Your religion came last it seems
Daniel: how do you know? You have yet to show me the Scripture on this matter. You are relying instead on the traditions of men and extra biblical history..
OliviaFaith221B: Darwin Fish is a man
Daniel: yes
OliviaFaith221B: :woman_shrugging:
Daniel: shrugging indeed.
OliviaFaith221B: So you are relying on man too
Daniel: I don't rely on what Darwin says.
Daniel: Darwin doesn't make claims that can't be substantiated with Scripture.
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: @OliviaFaith221B the year 33 clear Masonic propaganda
OliviaFaith221B: Hahaha Dan Brown fan?
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: who
OliviaFaith221B: I guess not
OliviaFaith221B: It's just a number
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: these are just letters
OliviaFaith221B: True
The Catholic Church is eternal though
Daniel: prove it
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: Olivia, how many generations back do you remember
OliviaFaith221B: I'm 17
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: In your own family history
Poor Jewish Crypto Beggar: I question anyone's judgement if they can't remember their name :joy:
OliviaFaith221B: At least three
Huh as old as your religion
OliviaFaith221B: Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth | Catholic Answers
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Daniel:
Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church.
Where does Scripture say this?
- See "Roman Catholicism Leads To Hell"
I. Suicide
The Catholic church teaches you can kill yourself and go to heaven. This is a "damnable" heresy (as in 2 Peter 2:1 KJV). People who follow this lie and kill themselves will certainly end up in hell.
In the official Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) on page 550 the Catholic church teaches,
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives. (CCC, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, copyright 1994, Ignatius Press, San Francisco, CA, p. 550, #2282 & 2283)
What a great temptation and deception for someone in despair, to think they can kill themselves and still be forgiven before God! For a Catholic, being caught in a false religion and thus killing themselves in the midst of sin and falsehood, would certainly perish.
For a "believer" in God's Word, killing oneself goes directly against Matthew 24:13; John 15:1-6; Romans 11:22; 1 Corinthians 15:2; Colossians 1:23; Hebrews 3:6, 14; 12:25; and 1 John 5:4. Committing suicide is not enduring to the end (Matthew 24:13). It is not abiding in Christ (John 15:1-6). It is not continuing in His goodness (Romans 11:22). It is not holding fast the word (1 Corinthians 15:2). It is definitely being moved away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23). It is not holding fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end (Hebrews 3:6). It is not holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end (Hebrews 3:14). It is refusing and turning away from Him who speaks from heaven (Hebrews 12:25). And, it is not overcoming the world (1 John 5:4), but rather being overcome by the world and the devil (1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:18).
Besides being a comforting lie for those still living, this Catholic teaching on suicide opens wide the door of death and Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:11-15) to those in despair. This is certainly a damning lie. For more on suicide click here: Suicide
Darwin: That might a safe deduction, but Scripture doesn't ever put it like that; so I wouldn't either.
Darwin: Actually, Dennis and I. He asked me to come teach.