Daniel P. Barron

I do not think you know what Christology means.

Tuesday, January 29, 2019 

Eco-Friendly: No offense man. But I don’t think anybody is reading your blog.

Daniel: And yet I have recent comments.

Eco-Friendly: I don’t trust some random blog. What are your credentials why should I take your word.

Daniel: What are the credentials of [this chat]?

Eco-Friendly: No [chat] I know of has a blog making dogmatic statements. What church do you go to?

Daniel: A True Church.

Eco-Friendly: Which is that. When do you meet and how often.

Daniel: We meet twice a week on Wednesday and Saturday.

Lucien: Pentecostal.
Eco-Friendly: Describe your christology, Daniel.

Daniel: It's described well enough at http://atruechurch.info/

Eco-Friendly: Uhm where. I just see random sperging i about the unbiblical idea of eternal torment.
Lucien: Nasty.

Daniel: Oh, I have a good article for you: "Jehovah's Witnesses" Are Not Jehovah's Witnesses ii

Eco-Friendly: Okay, but first explain your christology.

Daniel: We believe the entire Bible.

hyperdogee: I hope annihliationism is true. I don't want to exist forever, unless I find I am one of God's in the end. This one presby iii told me he's more terrified by non-existence than eternal torment. Which I found unbelievable. Aquinas said it is merciful for God sustain the souls in hell forever.
Eco-Friendly: I'll read anything you send me when I get home from work. iv
Lucien: Imagine working.
Eco-Friendly: Daniel, I do not think you know what Christology means. v What are your Christological views. This article from your "atruechurch" is so laughable.
Lucien: It's a true church though.

The JW's own Bible proclaims Jesus to be God in John 1:1.

In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. (NWT)

You do not understand what the word a god means. [laughing]
Lucien: Why call it a true church. It would've been better if they named it The true church. vi
Eco-Friendly: Man this is the worst refutation I have ever read. Dr. Murray Harris wrote that the terms translated God in the Hebrew Bible may signify quote

"Human rulers or judges, regarded as divine representatives or as bearers of divine authority and majesty Spiritual or heavenly beings, [...] both el, [meaning 'god'] and elohim [meaning 'gods'], have extended or 'irregular' applications to angels or to persons who represent on earth divine power, judgment, or majesty."

-- from his book Jesus as God, pp. 24, 26. As our own Arius wrote:

"This same sort of principle can be found at Isa. 43:10, vii in which Jehovah God says "besides me there is no savior." Yet various Israelite judges are called savior using the same Hebrew term found in Isa. 43:10. (Jdg. 3:9 viii) And so we see that by saying there is no savior besides me, God does not mean to exclude all from having the title savior applied to them in a different sense. Only Jehovah God is savior in a unique sense, yet others may be called savior in different senses. Similarly, there is no God besides him, and yet in an entirely different sense others may be called God."

So I ask again, Daniel, what are you Christological views. I hope for your sake you are not the one who writes these blogs.
kyrios_Iesous_|_Luke_12_: Why does one of the signs on that website say Jesus did 9/11. Kek ix
Eco-Friendly: They are the most unresearched things I have ever seen.
hyperdogee: (NASB) Amos 3:

6 x If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble?
If a calamity occurs in a city has not the Lord done it?

I guess. If I'm not wrong.

Daniel: Yes, I am "Daniel" in those articles.

Eco-Friendly: What are your Christological views?

Daniel: Check out the website man.

Eco-Friendly: I looked at the articles you sent me. They told me nothing.

Daniel: "Statement of Faith."

Eco-Friendly: This doesn't really help. How about you just tell me.

"We believe God is Spirit (John 4:24 xi) and this One Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:4 xii) is God (2 Corinthians 3:17 xiii) and is literally Seven Spirits. For more on that, please see The Seven Spirits Are God (Revelation 1:4 xiv).

We believe the city of Jerusalem is God (Psalm 48:12-14 xv).

We believe the Throne, Heaven, and the Kingdom Are God (Revelation 16:17; xvi Luke 15:18; xvii Matthew 6:33 xviii).

We believe the Horses of Zechariah 1 Are God (Zechariah 1:8-17 xix)."

Lucien: Most activity in a while.
Eco-Friendly: Oh. Well yeah.
hyperdogee: I've never heard such a thing.
Eco-Friendly: I'm not gonna let a retart spew nonsense.
hyperdogee: "The Seven Spirits of God Are God" xx
Lucien: Use your holy words.
Lucien A misguided brother
Eco-Friendly: This guy takes everything literally from the Bible I'm guessing. And out of context too.
kyrios_Iesous_|_Luke_12_: John 8:28 xxi is the best proof you have of Jesus' ontological divinity?
Eco-Friendly: lol, Daniel.

Daniel: What?


Now, if there are seven literal Spirits in the Godhead, what is the total number in the Godhead? Scripture never explicitly says. The Catholic church, along with the Protestant church, typically hold fast to the term "Trinity" (three in one) which is a term that is found nowhere in holy writ. Although the concept of three in one is certainly found (e.g. Isaiah 48:16; xxii Matthew 28:19 xxiii), it is not as is taught in the Catholic and Protestant Athanasian Creed (see He Is Holy Gods, under point V). Consequentially, those who hold to a "Trinity" typically reject the literal seven Spirits of God of Scripture, because they have fallen prey to the traditions of men (Colossians 2:8-10 xxiv). In so doing, as the above illustrates, they reject the true God.

If the seven Spirits are accepted, then it becomes apparent that there is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (who is seven Spirits). Adding this up equals 9, and that is the number of "Holy"s found in the Majority of Greek manuscripts in Revelation 4:8. xxv

kyrios_Iesous_|_Luke_12_: (RSV) Revelation 4:

8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all round and within, and day and night they never cease to sing,

“Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,
who was and is and is to come!”

Alien: Would that make God a Nonity? Nine persons all sharing the same essence.
hyperdogee: He says at the end that the number is at least 10.

  1. Sperg as in asperger's syndrom. ^
  2. Eco-Friendly identifies as a Jehovah's Witness. ^
  3. Presbyterian? ^
  4. "I have time to chat while I'm at work but I don't have time to read an article." ?? ^
  5. According to a quick search, it means:

    the branch of Christian theology relating to the person, nature, and role of Christ.


  6. We get this a lot. ^
  7. Isaiah 43:

    10 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
    “And My servant whom I have chosen,
    That you may know and believe Me,
    And understand that I am He.
    Before Me there was no God formed,
    Nor shall there be after Me.


  8. Judges 3:

    9 When the children of Israel cried out to the Lord, the Lord raised up a deliverer for the children of Israel, who delivered them: Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb’s younger brother.


  9. Another way of saying lol. ^
  10. Amos 3:

    6 If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid?
    If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it?


  11. John 4:

    24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”


  12. Ephesians 4:

    4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;


  13. 2 Corinthians 3:

    17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.


  14. Revelation 1:

    4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:

    Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,


  15. Psalm 48:

    12 Walk about Zion,
    And go all around her.
    Count her towers;
    13 Mark well her bulwarks;
    Consider her palaces;
    That you may tell it to the generation following.
    14 For this is God,
    Our God forever and ever;
    He will be our guide
    Even to death.


  16. Revelation 16:

    17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done!”


  17. Luke 15:

    18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you,


  18. Matthew 6:

    33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.


  19. Zechariah 1:

    8 I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him were horses: red, sorrel, and white. 9 Then I said, “My lord, what are these?” So the angel who talked with me said to me, “I will show you what they are.”

    10 And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, “These are the ones whom the Lord has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth.”

    11 So they answered the Angel of the Lord, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, “We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is resting quietly.”

    12 Then the Angel of the Lord answered and said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?”

    13 And the Lord answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words. 14 So the angel who spoke with me said to me, “Proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts:

    “I am zealous for Jerusalem
    And for Zion with great zeal.
    15 I am exceedingly angry with the nations at ease;
    For I was a little angry,
    And they helped—but with evil intent.”

    16 ‘Therefore thus says the Lord:

    “I am returning to Jerusalem with mercy;
    My house shall be built in it,” says the Lord of hosts,
    “And a surveyor’s line shall be stretched out over Jerusalem.” ’

    17 “Again proclaim, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts:

    “My cities shall again spread out through prosperity;
    The Lord will again comfort Zion,
    And will again choose Jerusalem.” ’ ”


  20. He first typed it without the quotation marks but edited them in afterwards. ^
  21. John 8:

    28 Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.


  22. Isaiah 48:

    16 “Come near to Me, hear this:
    I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
    From the time that it was, I was there.
    And now the Lord God and His Spirit
    Have sent Me.”


  23. Matthew 28:

    19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


  24. Colossians 2:

    8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.


  25. Revelation 4:

    8 The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night, saying:

    “Holy, holy, holy,
    Lord God Almighty,
    Who was and is and is to come!”


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