Daniel P. Barron

Surpassing the love of women.

Tuesday, May 19, 2020 

Someone asks about holy kisses, which leads into a bizarre chat about homosexuality and love.

Do the members of your church do 1 Thessalonians 5:26? i


What is a holy kiss?

A kiss made by a saint.

On the cheek, forehead, or lips?

Where ever. Mostly we do cheeks.

If you holy kiss your homie goodnight is it gay?

It's not homosexual unless that is your intention.

Does this "it’s not homosexual if it’s not your intention" apply to everything? Can you sleep with someone of the same sex but, like, in a straight way?

No, because the sleeping with ii is the definition of homosexuality.

What about getting married to your homie- but, you know, no homo? Just as friends?

Marriage is sex. iii

What about a marriage without sex? Those exist, so... it’s therefore not gay? So what you’re saying is
Sex is the only thing that draws the line between straight and gay? This is great news.

There is no marriage without sex. Husband and wife can agree to go without sex for a time, iv but the nature of their relationship is a sexual one. And on the matter of sex "drawing the line," it's bad to think about or desire evil things. If your intention is a homosexual intention, it is bad whether or not you are actually having sex.

What about a gay relationship without sex? Not everyone has a sexual drive.

It depends on the intention. It's not wrong for men to love each other. It is wrong for them to desire to have sex.

This is confusing, because they define it as a "gay relationship." A gay relationship is a sinful relationship. v That's evil, simply the desire.

So it’s not a sin to be in a gay relationship with no sex?

As long as the relationship is that of friendship...

No, no. Two people in a romantic relationship but not a sexual one.

What is romantic? Is it romantic for two men to love each other and do things together? This isn't wrong. It's perverse to equate this to homosexuality.

So if two men or women were to love one another the way a man loves his wife or a woman loves her husband but weren’t to engage in sexual affairs, and they got married, it wouldn’t be a sin?

It's not wrong even for the love of two men to surpass the love of women. vi But marriage is a sexual act.

  1. 1 Thessalonians 5:

    26 Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss.


  2. Leviticus 20:

    13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


  3. Mark 10:

    7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”


  4. 1 Corinthians 7:

    5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.


  5. Romans 1:

    27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.


  6. 2 Samuel 1:

    26 I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan;
    You have been very pleasant to me;
    Your love to me was wonderful,
    Surpassing the love of women.


2 Responses

  1. [...] "That only says lust. Not love." We know what it means because the law also says. It's not wrong for men to love each other. [...]

  2. [...] Scripture says that sex also makes you one flesh, and this is why it is an evil thing to do with someone who is not your wife. Marriage indeed makes two fleshes become one, and this is because marriage is an inherently sexual relationship. [...]

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