Daniel: purgatory is a lie
John Gotti ♝: Explain
CyanPhoenix: Are you still arguing with the JW?
Daniel: it's not supported by Scripture
John Gotti ♝: Yes it is
CyanPhoenix: @Callixtus
Daniel: show me
LongSchlongSilver: I'm guessing prot
John Gotti ♝: Purgatory explained:
- There will be neither sin nor attachment to sin in heaven (Rev. 21:27 i)
- We (at least most of us) are still sinning and are attached to sin at the end of this life ii
- Therefore, there must be a period between death and heavenly glory in which the saved are cleansed of sin, as well as their attachment to sin.
And other verses support purgatory:
- 2 Maccabees 12:43-45
- 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 iii
- Matthew 5:25-26 iv
- Luke 12:42-48 v
- Matthew 12:32 vi
Daniel: you have no verses to support your 3rd point
Daniel: your basis is an assumption
Daniel: "there must be" according to your faulty logic vii
Daniel: maccabees isn't Scripture
CyanPhoenix: @Callixtus Jesus quotes Psalm 82 because multiple reasons, first the Sanhedrin was held on a similar view of which christians hold about the Church, as a representative of God's on earth, Psalm 82 is understood by most scholars(And Second temple literature) as refring to demonic entities which are called gods, which God allowed to rule over nations after mankind refused to follow him, those entities where guilty of a lot of Sins and were gonna be judged by God himself eventually.
Daniel: 1 cor 3 doesn't say there is this temporary place between this life and the kingdom of God
Daniel: mat 5 doesn't say you can pay that last penny
Daniel: how can I pay for any sins when Christ already paid it all?
CyanPhoenix: People on purgatory don't pay for their own Sins tho on the way that Christ did
CyanPhoenix: -It's less of a paying Sins and more of their soul getting restored and made fit for heaven
Thel Vadamee: Sin is remitted, but due penance is still there
Daniel: luke 12 again doesn't say there is purgatory. You are assuming purgatory and then finding verses that can be twisted to fit along
CyanPhoenix: [1 Corinthians 3:12-15]
Scripture: 1 Corinthians 3:12-15 (King James Version)¹² Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; ¹³ Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. ¹⁴ If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. ¹⁵ If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Daniel:
Contrary to Luke 16:19-31; viii Colossians 2:13-14; ix and 1 John 1:7 x & 9, xi the Catholic Church teaches that there is a temporary place of suffering (due to a lack of a complete cleansing of sin) for those who die "in Christ." xii
John Gotti ♝: Bro my 3rd point logically follows from the 2 premises. And Maccabees is scripture. All of the deuterocanonical scriptures are literally quoted and hinted at in the NT. 1 cor 3 talks about the day of the lord (when you will be judged) where people will suffer loss and still be saved through fire... literally what purgatory is. @Daniel . Matthew 5 literally talks about a prison that you can get out of, until you have repaid the last penny. Luke 12:42-48 is a parable talking about when the Lord returns, there will be people who will be cut in 2 and beaten “many times over” & people who will be beaten “fewer times” for lesser sins. You need to understand the context of these verses to know what they’re talking about. Don’t input Protestant presuppositions into this, just read the verse as it is
Daniel: your logic is bad
Daniel:Catholics attempt to justify this teaching, which is nowhere taught in the Word of God, with 1 Corinthians 3:15. But, here one's "work" is being burned, not the person. Plus, sin is not in view, but rather attempts in building the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 3:12-17 xiii).
The Catholic's fable of purgatory rejects true faith (and trust) in God's forgiveness (Psalm 103:11-18 xiv). Hebrews 4:11 xv says, "Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest." Catholics do not enter His rest (Hebrews 4:9-10; xvi 1 Peter 1:13 xvii), because they render not the blood of Christ sufficient to completely cleanse them from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:9 xi). A supposed purgatory awaits them for a final cleansing. For those whose faith is in the finished work of Christ (John 19:30 xviii), the Lord Jesus "has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14 xix)
John Gotti ♝: Then you would have to say that the logic of the church fathers is bad. Because the early Christians hold to this view @Daniel
Daniel: yes, the early church fathers are in hell for being wicked catholics
John Gotti ♝: LMAO
Thel Vadamee: The synod of hippo is where the biblical canon was compiled, and if you confide in scripture as is it is as doubting the source of water you drink from
Thel Vadamee: You drank from the same source indirectly for years, but only looking at it does it bother you
John Gotti ♝: So you’re telling me that the church has been in apostasy for 1,500 years until the Protestant reformation? Even though Jesus promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against the church?
CyanPhoenix: Yeah Yeah
CyanPhoenix: Apparently Jesus church couldn't stand the onslaught according to you
CyanPhoenix: -Was he also wrong?
Daniel: protestants also go to hell. This is a false dichotomy you have set up, that there are only the two choices of faith
John Gotti ♝: What denomination are you?
CyanPhoenix: For saying the gates of hell wouldn't stand against the church? xx
Daniel: none. I am a saint who fears God and keeps His whole Word.
John Gotti ♝: So you’re non denominational?
Daniel: i don't know of any churches that are in the truth besides the church to which I belong
John Gotti ♝: Which is what
Daniel: "A True Church"
John Gotti ♝: Which is?
Daniel: that's the name of it
Daniel: http://atruechurch.info/A True Church - Faith and Religion, False Teachers, Biblical Teaching
Beware of false Christianity. John MacArthur is false. Steve Anderson is false. Find teaching you didn't know was in the Bible.John Gotti ♝: When was it established
Daniel: it's been established from everlasting xxi
John Gotti ♝: So we should have evidence of the Theology that this church holds to in the writings of early Christians then, correct?
Daniel: our beliefs are from Scripture
CyanPhoenix: Early christians weren't perfect on their theology
CyanPhoenix: But arguing that because of that they are going to hell, it's stupid
John Gotti ♝: Sure you can say that, every denomination says that, but do you have writings from early Christians who hold to your church’s theology?
Daniel: ""Early Church Fathers" were Catholic":In the several volume set entitled The Ante Nicene Fathers edited by Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson (WM B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, Michigan), we have a record of the writings of "early church fathers" who are revered by many as godly men. If this record is accurate, in other words, if what is found in these writings is truly what these men believed, then they were deceivers, ungodly men, who in no way should be honored.
CyanPhoenix: You can argue they were wrong, and that's fine, But I don't condemn them on basis of stuff that was out of their range
John Gotti ♝: Like St Polycarp? A student of the apostle John?
CyanPhoenix: -deceivers? on what way?
Daniel:Polycarp is reported to have lived from 65-155 AD and to have been the bishop of the Catholic Church in Smryna.
Polycarp was one, having in our own times been an apostolic and prophetic teacher, and bishop of the Catholic Church which is in Smyrna. (ibid., p. 42, in the "Martyrdom of Polycarp", chap. XVI).
Do not let anyone deceive you with empty words (2 Peter 2:18 xxii). The "Catholic Church," in the context of this volume, means exactly that, the unholy Roman Catholic Church (e.g., see below, VII Iranaeus).
In Polycarp's epistle to the Philippians, Polycarp writes,
When you can do good, defer it not, because "alms delivers from death". (ibid., p. 35, chap. X)
Paul said,
And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing. (1 Corinthians 13:3)
Faith working through love delivers from death (Proverbs 10:2; xxiii 11:4-6, xxiv 18-19; xxv 12:28; xxvi Psalm 16:2; xxvii Galatians 2:20 xxviii), not simply the giving of alms. God's alms, His gift, is what delivers from death (Romans 6:23 xxix).
This same "alms delivers from death" can be found in the Apocrypha in the book of Tobit.
It is better to give alms than to lay up gold: for alms delivers from death, and shall purge away all sin. (Tobit 12:8-9; see also Tobit 4:8-10)
Jesus Christ is the one who purges away all sin (Acts 4:12; xxx 1 John 1:7 x).
John Gotti ♝: @Daniel quit copying and pasting stuff from the internet
John Gotti ♝: Can you even defend your positions on your own
Daniel: it's from our article on the very subject you have presented
Thel Vadamee: >Steven Anderson
Thel Vadamee: Stop hating on based meme pastor
Daniel: My position is defended quite well when we compare what this false saint said to what Scripture says.
CyanPhoenix: As far as I'm concerned the Ante-Nicean father's were mostly consistent with their views with what the bible said
CyanPhoenix: @Daniel And how do you determine what the bible says?
Daniel: I read it. xxxi
CyanPhoenix: -As far as I'm concerned Arians had the same bible than trinitarians
John Gotti ♝: Where did the New Testament come from? Who compiled it? @Daniel
CyanPhoenix: -Who was right?
Daniel: the new testament has always existed from everlasting
John Gotti ♝: No it didn’t
Daniel: [John 1:1]
Scripture: John 1:1 (King James Version)¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
CyanPhoenix: Lol No
CyanPhoenix: The bible is not the Word
John Gotti ♝: The New Testament came from the Catholic Church in 382 at the council of Rome xxxii
CyanPhoenix: What?
Daniel: yes, the Bible is the Word
CyanPhoenix: John 1:1 is talking about Jesus, Man
Daniel: Christ is the Bible
John Gotti ♝: :joy::joy::point_up_2_tone2::point_up_2_tone2:
King Frederick II: I read God :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
Daniel: "How do you know that Jesus is literally the Bible?"
John Gotti ♝: So the New Testament existed forever? Was Paul writings written on creation day or something?
John Gotti ♝: What are you talking about my guy
John Gotti ♝: You can’t deny simple history
CyanPhoenix: I'm wondering, how do you even decide which books are cannonical? @Daniel
John Gotti ♝: The Catholic Church compiled the new testament in 382 AD
John Gotti ♝: He can’t @CyanPhoenix
John Gotti ♝: It’s impossible for him
Daniel: yes, the whole Bible has always existed from before the world was created
CyanPhoenix: Ah like the Torah?
Daniel:I'm wondering, how do you even decide which books are cannonical? @Daniel
@CyanPhoenix Everyone knows.
John Gotti ♝: So Paul’s letters existed at the time of Adam and Eve? @Daniel
Daniel: yes, John.
John Gotti ♝: So Paul’s letters existed before he even wrote his letters??
John Gotti ♝: You are sounding ridiculous
John Gotti ♝: Stop copping
CyanPhoenix: @Daniel If everyone knows why did then was so much discussion over books like Enoch?
Daniel: God caused Paul to write what was written.
Daniel: Cyan, because God causes most people to be deceived from seeing the obvious Truth.
John Gotti ♝: And that didn’t happen before the 1st century lmao
CyanPhoenix: OK so apparently God caused people to be deceived over the canonicity of a book which is quoted frequently on the NT
Daniel: John, nontheless, those writings were already in existence
CyanPhoenix: -But it isn't part of the NT, but according to what?
Thel Vadamee: The didn't appear until past 100 AD
John Gotti ♝: No they weren’t what on E A R T H are you talking about
Daniel: the book of enoch is not part of Scripture
CyanPhoenix: Again, Why not?
Daniel:Do a simple search on the internet and it should soon be apparent there are those who claim that Jude 14-15 xxxiii is a quote taken from the Book of Enoch 1:9. It is also purported that other concepts found in the New Testament were taken from what is today called the Book of Enoch. Further, it is asserted by some that this Book of Enoch was written before the time of Christ, and thus, it is assumed that certain concepts found in the New Testament were retrieved from this Book of Enoch. But, all of this is nothing more than assumption. None of it resides in solid fact.
Nobody alive today was alive back then. Nobody alive today was either there at the writing of the New Testament books to know, nor have they spoken to those who wrote them. xxxiv It is pure presumption.
John Gotti ♝: How do we know that you’re interpretation of scripture is correct? @Daniel
Daniel: compare what I say to what Scripture says
CyanPhoenix: Ok
John Gotti ♝: That’s what everyone says
CyanPhoenix: What did Jesus tell to the Saducees?
Daniel: actually most do not say that
John Gotti ♝: Scripture can be interpreted billions of ways, I can’t just “read scripture” and come up with the exact interpretation you’re giving me
CyanPhoenix: [Matthew 22:29-30]
Scripture: Matthew 22:29-30 (King James Version)²⁹ Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. ³⁰ For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
John Gotti ♝: You need the church
Daniel: most say things like "as long as we agree on the essentials we will both be saved."
CyanPhoenix: Ok, Why is Jesus quoting from enoch here?
CyanPhoenix: -And if he isn't, then where else do you find this on the OT?
Daniel: Cyan, how can you know such a thing? You assume He's quoting it.
Daniel: i don't need to find something else.
CyanPhoenix: Because he says that is on scripture, but nowhere on the OT it is
Daniel: Scripture makes reference to things we no longer have access to reading
CyanPhoenix: -Like Enoch
Thel Vadamee: Like book of Jasher
CyanPhoenix: Maccabees
CyanPhoenix: Etc.
Daniel: [Joshua 10:13] where can i find this book?
John Gotti ♝: How do you know which books are apart of scripture by using scripture alone? Where in the Bible does it say that the book of revelation should be apart of the Bible?
Scripture: Joshua 10:13 (King James Version)¹³ And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Daniel: John, all know. It's self-evident.
CyanPhoenix: It wasn't for the early christians
Daniel: how do you know?
CyanPhoenix: The christians you are condemning as heretics, where the ones defending John as a cannonical book
CyanPhoenix: -By that I mean the gospel of John
John Gotti ♝: Where is it self evident in the Bible that the book of revelation should be apart of the Bible?
Daniel: so? most false churches get most things right. It's the destructive heresies that damn them
John Gotti ♝: Do you not hold to sola scriptura?
CyanPhoenix: Ok so we cherry pick stuff then
Daniel: being self evident means you need look for no other proof besides the thing that is self evident itself
LongSchlongSilver: If Purgatory doesn't exist, then what happens to Christians who die with sin?
John Gotti ♝: That’s [very] circular
Daniel: what do you mean die with sin?
CyanPhoenix: You argue it's evident that the Gospel of John is cannonical, But then you have this christians that disagree about if certain books are cannonical, I don't think every single one of them was a liar.
Daniel: do you think you can be without sin in this world?
LongSchlongSilver: those who died with an unabsolved sin on their soul
Daniel: Cyan, they are false christians who deny the Bible
Daniel: what is unabsolved? like unrepentant?
LongSchlongSilver: if your sin hadn't been absolved, forgiven, if you hadn't repented before you died
John Gotti ♝: Do you hold to the view that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith? That everything that we believe must be explicitly stated in scripture? @Daniel
Daniel: if you don't repent of sin, you go to hell. Pray that God does not lead you into temptation. xxxv
CyanPhoenix: Ok, You are being Circular as Hell right now, You argue it's evident which books are cannonical, but only for those who already agree with you.
Daniel: John, yes.
Callixtus: What’s the topic
Daniel: Cyan, yes it is circular. You may only believe if God causes you to believe
LongSchlongSilver: what's your denomination Daniel?
Daniel: we're not part of a denomination
John Gotti ♝: @Daniel Okay so do you believe that the book of revelation should be apart of the Bible?
CyanPhoenix: I'm not even Catholic but this arguments are bad
Callixtus: What’s the topic @CyanPhoenix
Daniel: no, revelation should not be apart from the Bible. Revelation is Scripture.
CyanPhoenix: The debate moved upon I think some really wierd form of Sola Scriptura
John Gotti ♝: :man_facepalming_tone1::man_facepalming_tone1:
CyanPhoenix: @Callixtus
Callixtus: Sir, sola scriptura is a false doctrine.
Daniel: "Paul didn't follow sola scriptura. Why should you?"
John Gotti ♝: I’m saying do you believe revelation should be apart of the Bible. Not “from” @Daniel You misrepresented what I asked you
Daniel: John, you wrote it funny. I didn't misrepresent anything. Anyway I answered the question you were asking either way
John Gotti ♝: No, you completely misunderstood what I asked
John Gotti ♝: Let me rephrase it
Daniel: you should re-read what I answered..
CyanPhoenix: He is arguing that it's self evident which books are cannonical, which isn't the case since the NT quotes from plenty of books and traditions which aren't present on the OT.
Callixtus: Protestants are unable to identify what the extent of the canon is. In the 1960’s they wanted to add MLKs letters to a Birmingham jail into the New Testament.
Thel Vadamee: :keked:
Daniel: protestantism leads to hell
John Gotti ♝: @Daniel If you hold to the view that the Bible is the only infallible rule of faith, and that everything that we believe must be explicitly stated in scripture, and if you believe that Revelation is scripture, then where in the Bible does it EXPLICITLY say that Revelation is scripture?
Callixtus: Look it up. It’s a real thing lol
Thel Vadamee: Somebody wanted the coming of Obama added
Thel Vadamee: Kek
Callixtus: Why shouldn’t we add MLK’s letters to the New Testament? @Daniel
Daniel: [Psalm 19:1]
Scripture: Psalm 19:1 (King James Version)¹ The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
John Gotti ♝: Answer the question @Daniel
Daniel: [John 1:9]
Scripture: John 1:9 (King James Version)⁹ That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Daniel: [Romans 1:18-21]
Scripture: Romans 1:18-21 (King James Version)¹⁸ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; ¹⁹ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. ²⁰ For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: ²¹ Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
John Gotti ♝: I guess you have nothing else to argue then
Callixtus: Daniel hold this L
Daniel: [Proverbs 2:1-6]
Scripture: Proverbs 2:1-6 (King James Version)¹ My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; ² So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; ³ Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; ⁴ If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; ⁵ Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. ⁶ For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.
Callixtus: It’s also interesting to note that the New Testament is largely anonymous
Callixtus: We don’t know who wrote them without the magisterium :slight_smile:
Callixtus: Protestants essentially are unable to prove the preservation of scripture lol
John Gotti ♝: @Daniel Would you like to debate in VC later on tonight
Daniel: no i would not like to do that
John Gotti ♝: Why not
Daniel: i prefer text, and my internet connection does not allow for voice
John Gotti ♝: Huh
John Gotti ♝: Ok
Darwin: One thing you didn't mention: The Jews are the ones who were entrusted with the oracles of God (Romans 3:1-2; xxxvi John 4:22 xxxvii).
- Revelation 21:
27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
- Citing 1 John 1:
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
- 1 Corinthians 3:
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
- Matthew 5:
25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
- Luke 12:
42 And the Lord said, “Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his master will make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of food in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 44 Truly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all that he has. 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
- Matthew 12:
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
- See "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding." and "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit." ^
- Luke 16:
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
- Colossians 2:
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
- 1 John 1:
7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
- 1 John 1:
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
- See "Roman Catholicism Leads To Hell" ^
- 1 Corinthians 3:
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.
- Psalm 103:
11 For as the heavens are high above the earth,
So great is His mercy toward those who fear Him;
12 As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.
13 As a father pities his children,
So the Lord pities those who fear Him.
14 For He knows our frame;
He remembers that we are dust.15 As for man, his days are like grass;
As a flower of the field, so he flourishes.
16 For the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
And its place remembers it no more.
17 But the mercy of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting
On those who fear Him,
And His righteousness to children’s children,
18 To such as keep His covenant,
And to those who remember His commandments to do them. - Hebrews 4:
11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
- Hebrews 4:
9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
- 1 Peter 1:
13 Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
- John 19:
30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.
- Hebrews 10:
14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
- Matthew 16:
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
- Psalm 93:
2 Your throne is established from of old; You are from everlasting.
Proverbs 8:
23 I have been established from everlasting, From the beginning, before there was ever an earth.
- 2 Peter 2:
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
- Proverbs 10:
2 Treasures of wickedness profit nothing,
But righteousness delivers from death. - Proverbs 11:
4 Riches do not profit in the day of wrath,
But righteousness delivers from death.
5 The righteousness of the blameless will direct his way aright,
But the wicked will fall by his own wickedness.
6 The righteousness of the upright will deliver them,
But the unfaithful will be caught by their lust. - Proverbs 11:
18 The wicked man does deceptive work,
But he who sows righteousness will have a sure reward.
19 As righteousness leads to life,
So he who pursues evil pursues it to his own death. - Proverbs 12:
28 In the way of righteousness is life,
And in its pathway there is no death. - Psalm 16:
2 O my soul, you have said to the Lord,
“You are my Lord,
My goodness is nothing apart from You.” - Galatians 2:
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
- Romans 6:
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- Acts 4:
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
- John 5:
39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
Acts 17:
11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
Darwin: Their trust is so clearly in men (Catholic church). They point to 300 AD, as if nobody knew what was Scripture before that. Silly.
- Jude 1:
14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”
- See "There is no remembrance of former things." ^
- Matthew 6:
13 And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
Luke 11:
4 And forgive us our sins, For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one.”
- Romans 3:
1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.
- John 4:
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.