Daniel P. Barron

Hello Poe's Law my old friend.

Saturday, March 2, 2019

This is a response to a previous article that took place on some forum. I don't think anyone followed the link, but responded instead to only the title. It has been reviewed by Darwin Fish.

Daniel: My type is someone who believes the whole Bible.

IXGhostXI:i If that's the case you can't eat seafood, wear clothes of different fabrics, and have any markings on your body.

Daniel: The Law of God:

In the old covenant, there were food laws to be observed (e.g. Leviticus 11:1-23, 41-47; Deuteronomy 14:3-21), but in the new covenant, Christ declared all foods clean (Mark 7:14-20), and Paul wrote,

For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:4-5; see also Hebrews 13:9)

And regarding mixed fabrics:

In the old covenant there were specific commandments like not wearing a garment made of mixed linen and wool (Leviticus 19:19), or not shaving the sides of your head or disfiguring the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27). Hebrews 9:10 mentions "fleshly ordinances" under that old system, and says that they were "imposed until the time of reformation." "But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come" (Hebrews 9:11), and we are no longer under such law (Galatians 3:25; 5:18; Romans 6:14).

As for tattoos, those were never forbidden, except when they are made to commemorate the dead.ii Leviticus 19:

28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.

IXGhostXI:

In the old covenant, there were food laws to be observed (e.g. Leviticus 11:1-23, 41-47; Deuteronomy 14:3-21), but in the new covenant, Christ declared all foods clean

Your god is either inconsistent or contradictory. Pick one.

In the old covenant there were specific commandments like not wearing a garment made of mixed linen and wool (Leviticus 19:19), or not shaving the sides of your head or disfiguring the edges of your beard (Leviticus 19:27). Hebrews 9:10 mentions "fleshly ordinances" under that old system, and says that they were "imposed until the time of reformation." "But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come" (Hebrews 9:11), and we are no longer under such law

See first response.

As for tattoos, those were never forbidden, except when they are made to commemorate the dead.

That's actually pretty cool, something I didn't know :D awesome.

Believe Jesus said "before heaven and Earth wither away, before all is said and done, not one dot, not one iota of the law shall be invalid." Aka Torah. The five books Jews listen to.

Daniel: The law is not invalid, and God doesn't change, nor is He inconsistent. But there is a time for everything. (Ecclesiastes 3iii)

Also, to your first point about seafood. I think you meant to say shellfish.

IXGhostXI:

The law is not invalid, and God doesn't change, nor is He inconsistent

He's consistent but you literally just said Jesus changed or invalidated the covenant aka not living under the law anymore. Sure. Most seafood is shellfish except fish. Lobster, crab, crawfish, oyster, clam etc.

drewcosten:iv Believing the whole Bible is important, but knowing how to rightly divide is equally important. Otherwise you won't understand what you're reading.v

Xiantruth: You mean as in the whole Bible being literal?

Daniel: Yes. And not leaving parts out or adding things.

Xiantruth: Not every book in the Bible was written to be read literally though.

Daniel: Show me an example of something in the Bible I shouldn't take literally.

Xiantruth: The six day creation account is a good example.

Daniel: So God was lying when He said the creation took six days? What really happened?

Xiantruth: God didn’t write Genesis.

What happened? God set off the Big Bang and the physical laws of the universe. Science explains a lot of the rest.

Daniel: God is Genesis. The Word of God is God. (John 1:1vi)

The "big bang" is not mentioned in the Bible; I don't know how you could be so sure that is true, especially when it contradicts what the Bible actually does say.

Xiantruth:

God is Genesis. The Word of God is God. (John 1:1)

The Word of God referenced in John 1:1 is JESUS, it is not the Bible or any part of it.

Getting real close to making the Bible God there, that would be idolatry.

The "big bang" is not mentioned in the Bible

Neither is North America, or penguins. Your point being?

Note also that it was a Christian that first proposed the Big Bang.

especially when it contradicts what the Bible actually does say.

No it doesn't. Genesis' creation accounts were not meant to be a science book or a history text.

Daniel: Christ is God, and Christ is the Word of God, and the Word of God is the entire Bible. (Matthew 4:4vii)

North America existing does not contradict the Bible.

Many who call themselves Christian are actually not saved and they are going to hell. (Matthew 7:21viii)

The Bible says God cannot lie. (Titus 1:2ix) If God says that's how He created things, it must be literally how it happened.

Xiantruth:

Christ is God, and Christ is the Word of God, and the Word of God is the entire Bible.

Jesus is not the Bible. As I pointed out, you're treading on idolatry there.

North America existing does not contradict the Bible.

Neither does the Big Bang.

Many who call themselves Christian are actually not saved and they are going to hell.

That's not your call to make. Or have you replaced God?

If God says that's how He created things, it must be literally how it happened.

Repeating, God didn't write Genesis.

Daniel: God is the Bible. You are the idolitor for not believing this.

The "big bang" alleges that creation took millions of years rather than six days; therefor it contradicts the Bible.

Judging is believing.

Xiantruth:

God is the Bible.

Untrue.

That statement makes you either a blasphemer or an idolatrous or both.

You are the idolitor for not believing this.

Learn to spell. And no I will not believe false things.

The "big bang" alleges that creation took millions of years rather than six days; therefor it contradicts the Bible.

That the Bible isn’t meant to be a scientific text has already been explained to you.

Daniel: You haven't explained anything. You have asserted lies with no Biblical justification. You need to repent or God will destroy you forever in the lake of fire.

Xiantruth:

You haven't explained anything.

That's untrue.

You have asserted lies

You said "God is the Bible". That's not only a lie but makes you a blasphemer and an idolater.

You need to repent

After what you have done here, you better save that warning for yourself,

DoctorAcula_42:x Hello Poe's Law my old friend.xi

  1. Identifies as "Atheist."

  2. Darwin: I'm not so sure the tattoo verse is linked to the dead. The first part of the verse is indeed, but the second can grammatically stand without it being referenced to the dead. Nevertheless, the new covenant makes no such prohibition.

  3. Ecclesiastes 3:
    1 To everything there is a season,
    A time for every purpose under heaven:

    2 A time to be born,
    And a time to die;
    A time to plant,
    And a time to pluck what is planted;
    3 A time to kill,
    And a time to heal;
    A time to break down,
    And a time to build up;
    4 A time to weep,
    And a time to laugh;
    A time to mourn,
    And a time to dance;
    5 A time to cast away stones,
    And a time to gather stones;
    A time to embrace,
    And a time to refrain from embracing;
    6 A time to gain,
    And a time to lose;
    A time to keep,
    And a time to throw away;
    7 A time to tear,
    And a time to sew;
    A time to keep silence,
    And a time to speak;
    8 A time to love,
    And a time to hate;
    A time of war,
    And a time of peace.

    9 What profit has the worker from that in which he labors? 10 I have seen the God-given task with which the sons of men are to be occupied. 11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their hearts, except that no one can find out the work that God does from beginning to end.

    12 I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, 13 and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor—it is the gift of God.

    14 I know that whatever God does,
    It shall be forever.
    Nothing can be added to it,
    And nothing taken from it.
    God does it, that men should fear before Him.
    15 That which is has already been,
    And what is to be has already been;
    And God requires an account of what is past.

    16 Moreover I saw under the sun:

    In the place of judgment,
    Wickedness was there;
    And in the place of righteousness,
    Iniquity was there.

    17 I said in my heart,

    “God shall judge the righteous and the wicked,
    For there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.”

    18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth? 22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?

  4. Identifies as "Concordant Christian."
  5. I've added the article he linked to my hopper of things I might get around to reading and commenting on. It's a very long article though.
  6. John 1:
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

  7. Matthew 4:
    4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

  8. Matthew 7:
    21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

  9. Titus 1:
    2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

  10. Identifies as "Searching."
  11. I imagine this is meant to be sung to the tune of "Sounds of Silence" by Simon and Garfunkel. Poe's Law refers to when a parody is indistinguishable from the thing it is meant to parody, or vice versa.

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