Daniel P. Barron

What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!

Monday, March 16, 2020 

OpenMinded: I’m a pro religion atheist, as freedom of religion that doesn’t interfere with my life. I must ask, what is your views on the LGBT+i community?
Daniel: Scripture says homosexuals go to hell
OpenMinded: Wow, that was a turn of events. May I ask if you fully agree with that statement?
Daniel: yes, I agree with all of Scripture
OpenMinded: So, how do you think homosexuals came to be?
Daniel: God causes people to be homosexuals
OpenMinded: So, your saying god intentionally sends people to hell?
Daniel: Romans 1:26-27
Scripture: Romans 1:26-27 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<26> For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. <27> Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

Daniel: yes, God creates most people for the purpose of sending them to hell
criticallyred: The prophets were sending messages of peace when there wasn't. So the deception is on the false prophets and not on God. That's jeremiah speaking and not god saying "Yes I made them think one thing when i meant another"
OpenMinded: Basically making your god sadistic?
Daniel: criticallyred, Jeremiah wasn't lying
Daniel: OpenMinded, it's not sadistic or unrighteous. God does what He wants. Romans 9:14-18
Scripture: Romans 9:14-18 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<14> What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! <15> For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." <16> So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. <17> For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." <18> Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

criticallyred: He was refering to the false prophets. He's saying "these prophets were preaching peace when there wasn't any, so what gives?"
OpenMinded: Also, how would you find that your god is real without the 2000 year old text that has been there to control people for years?
Daniel: criticallyred, God caused those prophets to lie.
Daniel: OpenMinded, you don't need a physical copy of the Bible to know the Bible is true. Romans 1:18-23
Scripture: Romans 1:18-23 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<18> For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, <19> because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. <20> For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, <21> because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. <22> Professing to be wise, they became fools, <23> and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

Daniel: Psalm 97:6
Scripture: Psalm 97:6 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<6> The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples see His glory.

criticallyred: Manusripts are many.
OpenMinded: It seems that god has caused a lot of things. Also, let’s point out the fact that you support “someone,” that in theory intentionally makes people suffer.
Daniel: God causes all things. Romans 11:36
Scripture: Romans 11:36 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<36> For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

OpenMinded: What if the person that your god chooses to make burn for the rest of eternity was someone you truly loved?
Daniel: I will be thankful. Ephesians 5:20
Scripture: Ephesians 5:20 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<20> giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

criticallyred: @OpenMinded Please don't lump me in with Daniel who is a cultist. But if indeed an ultimate good exists, then we have made ourselves infinitely far from him by our sin. Bad things happen because he doesn't owe mankind otherwise.
Kuro: Hmmmm. God deceiving the people and Jerusalem makes sense. Jeremiah 4:10
Scripture: Jeremiah 4:10 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<10> Then I said, "Ah, Lord God! Surely You have greatly deceived this people and Jerusalem, Saying, 'You shall have peace,'Whereas the sword reaches to the heart."

OpenMinded: I will not, I support freedoms of religion, but not those that are shoved down ones throat or forced into someone, not saying that this is the case.
Daniel: We don't force our beliefs on anyone. People come here voluntarily.
Kuro: But I feel like the reasoning of why it happened should be included in it. It's "Deceiving" but its justified.
Daniel: I didn't say God is unjustified in deceiving anyone. He does no wrong.
OpenMinded: I never said it was forced, that why I respect you.
Kuro: I know you didn't, but other people can assume (People assume a lot of stuff) that it wasn't jutisfied.
criticallyred: @OpenMinded Well I hope you don't mind me saying that I hope you find Christ. If you trust on him, the burden of your sin is lifted off of you and you will have peace for eternity.
OpenMinded: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” -Voltaire

As much as you have the right to say that, my views will not change.
OpenMinded: I also would like to ask Daniel about how you would treat someone of the LGBT+ community in person? I’m gay myself, whom hasn’t made the choice but has found myself to be such.
Kuro: Claps you're the first LBGT person that I've seen in the chat that held a decent conversation.
OpenMinded: I like to be realistic and like to learn the other side.
Daniel: I would treat you like any other person outside of our church, which is that I would warn you about the wrath of God and that you must fear Him to inherit eternal life, which would require that you turn from your sin of homosexuality
OpenMinded: How would I turn from that, “sin” if, as you stated earlier, “God causes people to be homosexuals,” therefor making me someone who opposed the power of god.
Daniel: He can make you turn from it and be a homosexual no longer. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Scripture: 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<9> Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, <10> nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. <11> And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

OpenMinded: Also, I’d like to ask if you would, “warn you about the wrath of God and that you must fear Him to inherit eternal life, which would require that you turn from your sin of homosexuality,” outside of the church.
Daniel: hm?
Daniel: oh, yes
Daniel: i'm doing that right now. This chat isn't the church. This isn't for fellowship
OpenMinded: Yes, but would you do such out on the street if you came across someone who was LGBT+?
Daniel: yes
Daniel: I do so at bars, and we also picket outside of false christian events
OpenMinded: I’m gathering other people’s opinions, not trying to disrespect you in any way shape or form but, isn’t that shoving it down someone’s throat?
Daniel: no, if someone doesn't want to talk about it then I leave them alone
OpenMinded: Would you agree with someone physically harming another over their views?
Daniel: i'm in favor of the death penalty in general (not that I want the U.S. government to be in charge of executing it)
OpenMinded: You agree with killing someone over their beliefs, even if it doesn’t hurt you?
Daniel: i agree with the death penalty for things like murder, adultery, homosexuality, etc..
Daniel: sexual immorality does harm others. Scripture says it defiles the nation and the land
Daniel: Leviticus 18:24
Scripture: Leviticus 18:24 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<24> 'Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you.

OpenMinded: Ok, hold up, you just stated that you would support the killing of someone over homosexuality?
Daniel: Leviticus 18:25
Scripture: Leviticus 18:25 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<25> For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants.

Daniel: no, I wouldn't kill anyone, as we're not under that law. I'm saying it is a good law and I'm in favor of it.
OpenMinded: Ahh, yes. So if law was passed to kill one over your beliefs, would you not feel as if it were wrong?
OpenMinded: As in, someone with your beliefs?
Daniel: that would be wrong.
Daniel: I would be thankful for it and say God caused it, but it would still be wrong.
OpenMinded: That’s hypocritical in a way. Take it as if someone 2000 years ago wrote that it were the case that you shall be murdered over your beliefs, it’s still wrong? Out of the countless gods, YOURS is the only one that exists?
Daniel: yes. My God is the only God.
Daniel: Isaiah 45:6
Scripture: Isaiah 45:6 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<6> That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other;

OpenMinded: And the only thing that you have to prove that with is the 2000 year old text that has been altered many times, that has made many different forms of the church?
Daniel: it's older than that. The Bible is God; He is from everlasting.
OpenMinded: And what proof do you have of that that isn’t in that text?
Daniel: Psalm 93:2
Scripture: Psalm 93:2 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<2> Your throne is established from of old; You are from everlasting.

Daniel: It's self-evident. Everyone has known that this is true, but God causes most people to deny it.
OpenMinded: It’s not not me denying it, it’s me using my way of thinking and actually proof that this is the case.
Daniel: You cannot believe unless God has chosen you to believe it. If He hasn't chosen you for this, there's nothing I can say or do to make you believe.
OpenMinded: But what actual evidence supports your claim that is not anything at all to do with a 2000 year book that talking about a man who was defied all of true logic and reasoning?
Daniel: John 1:9
Scripture: John 1:9 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<9> That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.

OpenMinded: Hold on, someone’s at my door asking about a toenail clipper.
OpenMinded: Ok, so, if you had to guess, what would be my age? I’m curious as to how old you think I am.
Daniel: 18 to 22
OpenMinded: Damn, close but I turn 15 tomorrow.
OpenMinded: So, you continue to think that your scripture proves that out of the hundreds to thousands of god, yours is the only real one. In fact, most of them state that their is the only god.
Daniel: yes
OpenMinded: I’m assuming that your parents told you that this is the case?
Daniel: no, i grew up atheist
OpenMinded: And you found god how? I’m assuming from a traumatic experience that cause you to seek the comfort of a higher power?
Daniel: no, He made me believe against my will, kinda out of the blue
OpenMinded: So, out of nowhere, you just became a religious extremist?
Daniel: it took many years after that to come to what i believe now
OpenMinded: So, think about the fact that you believe that someone else took control of you, FORCED you into thinking differently, and now is making you communicate their word?
Daniel: He's forcing you to not think it, and to not communicate His Word
OpenMinded: Ok, “forcing you to think it” So by saying that, in a way, your not your own human. Your supposedly being controlled and told what to think?
Daniel: we are all being controlled
OpenMinded: So, we’re all manipulated constantly by someone who could be considered a control freak who makes people and burns them, correct?
Daniel: yes
OpenMinded: Ok... it took me a minute there I was a little taken back. One last question I’m kinda scared to ask, what is your idea of people of color?
Daniel: they can be saved and there's nothing inherently wrong with any skin color
Joëlle♀: Why does this question keep coming up? Strange
Daniel: there's apparently a rumor about me at the bar i go to for karaoke that i don't like black people
OpenMinded: I was just wondering.
Kuro: You're not tipping the black guy Daniel? Lul
Daniel: i think they share tips; i pay with credit card at the end
Kuro: I think Color and religion doesn't arise unless it's Hebrew Israelites or Muslims.
Daniel: my guess is that it's a hot topic these days the whole racism and homsexuality thing and they simply get conflated
Kuro: True. I guess I just figured the "black" issue was left in the pass for Christianity. :joy:
OpenMinded: I like learning about different religious views. I’m from North Carolina and the KKK still exist here sadly. I’ve had family that claimed that it was gods wishes. I’ve since cut those people out. A lot of people here say that god made people of color to be subservient to the white male. I’ve never agreed with it.
Kuro: Actually, that's more aligned with the Quran views ^
Daniel: God made women to be subservient to menii
OpenMinded: DAMN that went 0-100 really fast.
OpenMinded: Like I had a strawberry in my mouth and just launched it into the stratosphere.
Kuro: The KKK Handbook is called the Kloran... And the Islam called their book the Quran.
OpenMinded: Oh, I didn’t know that.
OpenMinded: I’ll read it.
Daniel: 1 Corinthians 11:8-9
Scripture: 1 Corinthians 11:8-9 - New King James Version (NKJV)

<8> For man is not from woman, but woman from man. <9> Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.

Joëlle♀: Lived near some racists in FL

I don't remember there being too many though.
Bro remembers one white woman who didn't like blacks showing an unusual preference to him...most likely because he is lighter skinned.?

Can't say that I really dealt with rascist folk though, but then again I lived in a liberal area at that time.
Kuro: Yeah, their misunderstanding (The devil fooled them) is pretty much the reason why you have the black hate group of Christianity -- Hebrew Israelites (They're not a part of Christianity though).
Kuro: She might just have liked him - lol. But the skin tone probably played a factor in it.
OpenMinded: Huh. I’ll save the whole women subservient to man stuff for later as I don’t feel like discussing that at the moment.

  1. "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, etc.."

  2. See "Scriptural View Of Women," III. Submission, A. Submission To Husbands.

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