كافِر: I saw Jesus and the father face to face. He gave me a white throne to judge people according to their works and also angels. I destroyed the throne.
Daniel: I appreciate your knowledge of Scripture, but you sound like a crazy person.
كافِر: Jesus wants crazy I shall give him crazy.
Joëlle: So.....extra-biblical personal experiential revelation?
كافِر: Then no one will challenge my power again.
Daniel: Exodus 33:
20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.”
كافِر: Jacob saw God.
Daniel: So did Moses.
كافِر: So Jesus lied in Exodus.
Daniel: I don't think it's a lie.
كافِر: All liars shall have their part in the second death. The father demanded I make Jesus eat his own face as he sits on his white throne. I will do this. The father will eat his face also.
Joëlle: ...
كافِر: The angels will attack each other until heaven is desecrated. I say this with 100% certainty.
Joëlle: Now you sound like a troll.
Daniel: Genesis 32:
30 So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.”
كافِر: Genesis 6:
6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.
Where did god's regret come from, or his wrath?
Daniel: He is long-suffering because of the vessels of wrath.
كافِر: Yes. His heart is hard. He cannot contain himself. This is his destiny. To follow his heart. The vessels of wrath are simply objects for God to take out his hard heart on. I tell you not even in the new earth will Jesus or the father have peace inside them.
كافِر: I shall cause their hearts to become so clouded that their minds seek to end everything and cannot do so.
Daniel: Can you back that up with Scripture? Or is this some special revelation to you?
كافِر: This is my word.
Daniel: Okay then. You are going to hell and may God save you.
كافِر: I have already made the spirit of Elijah rot. Elisha was not important. I have already been to hell my friend and came out. I have seen demons rip the genitals from humans.
Daniel: Have you seen our website?
كافِر: None of it bothered me. Yes. Your website is everything I say.
Daniel: You agree with all of it? You read all of it?
كافِر: I agree with all of it. Everything you said there is true.
Daniel: You agree with this one?
كافِر: No. This is a false teaching.
Daniel: lol
كافِر: The other one is correct though. The one that preaches vessels of destruction and such.
Daniel: 1 john 4:
8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
كافِر: God was never patient. He drowned the world. He is long suffering and short tempered.
Daniel: Scripture says God is love. You deny this?
كافِر: Malachi 1:
3 But Esau I have hated,
And laid waste his mountains and his heritage
For the jackals of the wilderness.” iDaniel: Yes, God (who is love) also hates.
كافِر: Love and hate cannot be together. That is what separates sheeps from goats.
Daniel: Where does Scripture say such a thing?
كافِر: Matthew 7:
16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Daniel: 1 Corinthians 13:
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
كافِر: God is a jealous God so he is not love.
Daniel: 1 John 4:
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
Was John wrong here?
كافِر: Yes. God is jealous.
Daniel: So this book should not be part of Scripture? Is that your argument?
كافِر: Actions speak louder than all the words from God my friend.
Daniel: Well, God died for the whole world. That's a loud action.
كافِر: This part should be cast away. Eaten by the immortal maggots in the lake of fire. He did not die. That was his son. "God why have you forsaken me?"
Daniel: The Son is God.
كافِر: The son was given power to be god by the father in heaven which has more power than Jesus. I have seen both of their faces, and they are different.
Daniel: Well the city of Jerusalem is also God, and that probably looks different too.
كافِر: Hahahaha. God never loved you my friend. He uses you for his glory. Daniel 4:
35 All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing;
He does according to His will in the army of heaven
And among the inhabitants of the earth.
No one can restrain His hand
Or say to Him, “What have You done?”Daniel: He says He loves everyone.
كافِر: He does not care if he burns you alive or "saves you," because it was his plan all along.
Daniel: He does care.
كافِر: No. God destroys both blameless and wicked.
Daniel: He doesn't destroy the blameless, or where does Scripture say this?
كافِر: He will give you demons of suicidal thoughts like he did to Judas do his prophecy would come into fruition.
كافِر: Job 9:
21 “I am blameless, yet I do not know myself;
I despise my life.
22 It is all one thing;
Therefore I say, ‘He destroys the blameless and the wicked.’
23 If the scourge slays suddenly,
He laughs at the plight of the innocent.Daniel: Well yes, but I mean the eternal destruction.
كافِر: I mean what I mean. No more excuses. He does not love you by his fruits alone. Jeremiah 19:
9 And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and everyone shall eat the flesh of his friend in the siege and in the desperation with which their enemies and those who seek their lives shall drive them to despair.” ’
كافِر: Your calamity is god's entertainment my friend. Again I can use scripture to support this as well.
Daniel: Words are fruit.
كافِر: These words do not affect me. If the word is the fruit of the spirit and I have the spirit of the anti Christ. Doesn't that mean I win?
Daniel: Job goes on to admit that he isn't innocent. ii Win what? Damnation?
كافِر: He made a point that God destroys the innocent. Revelations 2:
23 I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. And I will give to each one of you according to your works.
God was going to kill Moses for not cutting his sons foreskin. iii
Daniel: He kills the righteous and the wicked, but who inherits His kingdom and eternal life?
كافِر: Neither righteous or wicked. Only those chosen by Jesus John 15:
16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you.
Daniel: Matthew 10:
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Daniel: There is a difference between death and eternal death.
كافِر: The father can destroy the soul I can destroy it more by erasing it completely.
Daniel: That's less of a destruction, really.
كافِر: The father cannot erase a spirit. The spirit is the breath of his mouth.
Daniel: I think it was Job who wishes to have not been born. iv
كافِر: The spirit of God is limited by his own spirit.
Daniel: Jeremiah 20:
14 Cursed be the day in which I was born!
Let the day not be blessed in which my mother bore me!Jeremiah apparently.
كافِر: Jesus put demons inside his head for his own glory.
Daniel: I do not disagree that God kills, creates evil, causes deception, etc..
كافِر: Me neither.
Daniel: Where you are wrong is using this to say He can't also love, save, heal, etc..
كافِر: So how do you blame humans for evil?
Daniel: Because they are created evil.
كافِر: Yes they are created evil by God so God is responsible for the evil.
Daniel:No, He created us responsible for it.v
كافِر: And do you see how evil that is.
Daniel: And still He died for us. No, I don't agree that God is evil.
كافِر: You're forgetting that Jesus is life. When he "died" he did not actually die.
Daniel: Who are you to question God? He's causing you to make these accusations against Him. vi
كافِر: Remember the two guys next to Jesus? He said you will be with me in paradise. vii Not tomorrow, not next year, that same day.
Daniel: Well one of those guys anyway.
كافِر: My point is clear.
Daniel: I don't see the point.
كافِر: They follow doctrines of devils or should I say are the governors of such practices.
Daniel: Who does?
كافِر: Jesus, the father, and the holy spirit. Also the angels and the prophets.
Daniel: So then the most all powerful creator of everything is, according to you, evil? What then?
كافِر: All powerful? Couldn't even keep himself in check.
Daniel: So who is more powerful? What is your point?
كافِر: I don't need to answer that yet.
Daniel: You don't need to be cryptic.
كافِر: Not even God can make me reveal it. God's destiny is written. He cannot escape with his all powerful power.
Joëlle: Where do these people come from???
كافِر: I came from a void where the earth is now.
This guy later on revealed himself to be an atheist. The conversation serves as an interesting example of how someone might claim to believe the bad sounding parts of the Bible yet reject the typically popular and nice bits.
Darwin: He quotes Malachi 1 and conveniently leaves out what comes immediately before his quote ("Jacob I have loved").
- Job 9:
28 I am afraid of all my sufferings;
I know that You will not hold me innocent.
29 If I am condemned,
Why then do I labor in vain? - Exodus 4:
24 And it came to pass on the way, at the encampment, that the Lord met him and sought to kill him. 25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at Moses’ feet, and said, “Surely you are a husband of blood to me!” 26 So He let him go. Then she said, “You are a husband of blood!”—because of the circumcision.
- Job 10:
‘Why then have You brought me out of the womb?
Oh, that I had perished and no eye had seen me!
19 I would have been as though I had not been.
I would have been carried from the womb to the grave.Darwin: Job did indeed curse the day he was born, Job 3.
Darwin: God is responsible for everything (Romans 11:36), good and evil.
- Romans 9:
19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
- Luke 23:
39 Then one of the criminals who were hanged blasphemed Him, saying, “If You are the Christ, save Yourself and us.”
40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”