Daniel P. Barron

What is the main message of Christianity?

Sunday, February 10, 2019

This log has been modified for spelling and formatting. It has been reviewed by Darwin Fish. Some lines have been removed for being part of a different parallel conversation.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: I don't understand so much of denominations, SoloRich, because in my church we have been told every single church all around the globe has been bought by a heavy price which is by the blood of jesus. Therefore as far as I'm concerned every church belongs to Jesus. But yes i am into charismatic, SoloRich.
SoloRich: I think the LDSi church should NOT be included in that.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: amen amen amen

Daniel: CaptJaCkSparr0w, what then is the broad way?

Jedi_Knight: Pentecostals taught me how to pray. Saying that Halleluiah is the highest form of praise to God, So we repeated it several times, one must do this with a heart desirous of God, otherwise repetition might count as written in scriptures as being vain repetitions, but not vain if the heart is directed properly.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: SoloRich and Daniel, I'm a new ''christian''...you want more definitive answers ask Jedi_Knight. I'm not here to debate which church is better than the other because I made myself very clear just now every church all over the globe has been bought by jesus's blood.

Daniel: I know the answer; the question was more for you. That is a lie.

SoloRich: I'm not debating I'm only asking what church you're going to?
CaptJaCkSparr0w: A charismatic church, SoloRich.
SoloRich: Oh, okay. I've never been to one of them.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: I was born a catholic but i'm into charismatic.
Jedi_Knight: It's a state of the heart and perspectives according to levels of knowledge, often there are personal preferences concerning minor details of translation. I let a lot of it go, as I understand the perspectives, some of which I may have alternative perspectives now on, yet let every man be convinced in his own mind. And also written, let the ignorant be ignorant. As we are all ignorant. (lacking in knowledge [in many aspects])

Daniel: Matthew 7:

13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it.

Matthew 7:

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

CaptJaCkSparr0w: You quote that verse and yet you make it sound when you mentioned ''I was asking you'' as if we are in some debate quiz here about jesus.

Daniel: The broad way is people who claim to believe in Christ.

SoloRich: Daniel, I agree and I think there are a lot of christians who haven't found that narrow gate as yet and it worries me.

Daniel: You say that all churches are saved; the Bible says that's not the case. CaptJaCkSparr0w, my point is that you are going to hell; you need to repent.

Jedi_Knight: Encouragement to keep commandments is a good thing, yet by the extent of the Law for which sin is counted against, there are so many laws, that it requires interaction of God's Spirit and the forgiveness of our Savior Yeshua Ha Mashiach (Jesus the Messiah) whom which is able to cover our errs where we fail. Yet let us press on in faith in God and Christ to strengthen and direct us.
mugz: There are hypocrites in every denomination, in my opinion.
SoloRich: Since the 40s there's been quite a few issues the churches have given in on that have put them outside of what before then would have been considered normative christian morals.
Jedi_Knight: CaptJaCkSparr0w, by church authorities, pillars of mainstream denominations, have accused me saying "You don't have the Holy Spirit." ; "You don't have the calling of God." that i served a different God, that i served a different Christ, or that i was lost. Ignore these people they are as oppressors inappropriately representing the LORD.

Daniel: Jedi_Knight, you too are going to hell.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Jedi_Knight, didn't you read the last few chapters of the book of acts? How poor Paul suffered?
Jedi_Knight: Keep faith in the face of aggressive oppressors, who are as wolves in sheep's clothing or as white sepulchers.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: As for you Daniel, you're on ignore from now. Where is ignore.
Jedi_Knight: My ride is here; I need to do some shopping.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Okay, done. Waste of time talking to people who have the brains of a two year old.
SoloRich: I think there is a lot in the charismatic movement that is good. But I've also heard of excesses.
Daniel, none of us are able or worthy to judge another person in the way you just did.

Daniel: SoloRich, if you believed you would be [worthy to judge].

CaptJaCkSparr0w: SoloRich, true that but if you look at it in their point of view, they ain't preaching something at the pulpit which is rubbish. Like for me......... I'm an alcoholic, I battle alcoholic demons.

Daniel: SoloRich, http://atruechurch.info/judging.html

Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? (Luke 12:57)

CaptJaCkSparr0w, if you had Christ you wouldn't have addiction.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: I don't think for a second charismatic leaders are too obsessive with what they speak.
SoloRich: lol I'm not talking about discernment.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Neither am I.
gthnk: Lots of christians are addicted to things.

Daniel:

Christ commands to "Beware of false prophets" (Matthew 7:15ii). The only way that can be obeyed is by discerning (judging) whether someone is a false prophet or not. Otherwise, there would be no one to beware of, since it would be unknown as to who was a false prophet and who was not. But, such is not the case with those who believe, as Jesus said to those who heed His warning, "by their fruits you will know them" (Matthew 7:20iii). Knowing them equals judging them to be false prophets.

SoloRich: CaptJaCkSparr0w, I'm talking to Daniel.

Daniel: gthnk, they aren't christians.

CaptJaCkSparr0w shakes his head
mugz: I don't really think that the broad gate and the narrow gate applies to salvation per se - the narrative talks about works, and our relationships to one another, and what works will burned up.
gthnk: Daniel, I don't think you know what a christian is or isn't or have the power to judge either way.
SoloRich: Daniel, there is a difference in discerning where you can find a worthwhile church and judging another person.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: gthnk, you make a good point with a few typos along the way : ''lots of humans are addicted to worldly things'' is what you should type.
What's this fella typing lemmeiv unignore; I wanna see.

Daniel: I am telling these lost people that judging is believing.

mugz: !kjv 1co 3:15v
BibleBot: (KJV) 1 Corinthians 3:

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

SoloRich: CaptJaCkSparr0w, I'm on the verge of putting him on ignore myself.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: looooool, SoloRich.

Daniel: !nkj Jude 1:3

BibleBot: Jude 1:

3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.

SoloRich: Okay, that did it Daniel... you're wasting time talking nonsense.vi
CaptJaCkSparr0w: lol

Daniel: You too are going to hell, SoloRich.
Christ says that few will believe and yet you all seem to think He meant many

mugz: !kjv mat 5:19vii
BibleBot: (KJV) Matthew 5:

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

CaptJaCkSparr0w becomes thor and whistles peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet : come back here /ignore command like thor's hammer
SoloRich: Sigh, someone who thinks pursuing a conversation with this individual should post the scripture about judge not ...I give up.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Bye Daniel.
SoloRich, this fella is a non-believer, many skeptics out there......

Daniel: !nkj Matthew 7:1-2

BibleBot: Matthew 7:

1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

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SoloRich: He's gotta be the way he talks.

Daniel: I believe the entire Bible, unlike y'all.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Off the top of my head.

Daniel: !nkj Psalm 119:13

mugz: Matthew 5 sets the stage for the sermon.
BibleBot: Psalm 119:

13 With my lips I have declared All the judgments of Your mouth.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: I think Paul wrote a letter to the Jews and gentiles in the book of Romans chapter 1 about judgement too.
!niv rom1:17
BibleBot: (NIV) Romans 1:

17 For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."

gthnk: So you're okay with the 'no true scotsman' being the rule by which you are judged, Daniel?
CaptJaCkSparr0w: amen

Daniel: !nkj Zephaniah 1:12

BibleBot: Zephaniah 1:

12 "And it shall come to pass at that time That I will search Jerusalem with lamps, And punish the men Who are settled in complacency, Who say in their heart, 'The LORD will not do good, Nor will He do evil.'

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Daniel, I was like you too brother. I used to think what is this church nonsense? What is reading the bible for?

Daniel: I go to church.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: What for pray

Daniel: And read the Bible and pray. Why are you making things up about me?
!nkj Isaiah 5:20-21

BibleBot: Isaiah 5:

20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!

CaptJaCkSparr0w: I ain't making anything up about you.ix
SoloRich: CaptJaCkSparr0w, I think I'll add charismatic churches to the list of denominations I want to look into....this Mormon nonsense is driving me crazy.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: looooooool
mugz: The idea that God is only going to save a little tiny fraction of humanity and that everyone else is going to hell is incorrect I believe.
CaptJaCkSparr0w pets SoloRich
SoloRich: lol No petting.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: mugz, nobody said jesus is saving only a handful.

Daniel: mugz, based on what scripture do you believe that?

SoloRich: I think finding a good charismatic church may be difficult though.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: !niv rom2:11x
BibleBot: (NIV) Romans 2:

11 For God does not show favoritism.

mugz: Daniel, see the comments I have made.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: amen
SoloRich: If I was an op here I think I would have permbannedxi Daniel by now.xii
CaptJaCkSparr0w: [laughing] SoloRich. [laughing even harder]

Daniel: mugz, what comments? You say that "not few" will be saved despite the Bible saying that "few" will be saved.

mugz: Daniel, where does it say few will be saved.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: SoloRich, some dim'sxiii come here questioning the existence of jesus.....they prefer their occult and all this rubbish they have been worshiping. But then if you ask them okay you say Jesus doesn't appear to everyone...then your statues and your occults appear to you daily on dreams? You get where I'm getting at, SoloRich?xiv

Daniel: mugz, Matthew 7:13-14.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Look at this dim. He is gonna just quote every line of scripture now.

Daniel: !nkj John 7:24

BibleBot: John 7:

24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

mugz: Daniel it doesn't say that.

Daniel: The Bible says to judge, y'all say not to judge.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: The bible says not to judge baby. You got it topsy turvy.
mugz: Daniel, as I already commented.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Is your head okay?

Daniel: It says right there in john 7 that you should judge. Do you deny this?

SoloRich: Yes, Satan is very good at giving people substitutes for the Reality of what our Savior has done and is doing for us.
mugz: Daniel, Jesus was talking to judges.

Daniel: mugz, the narrow gate is Christ; if you are on the broad path you are not in Christ; the "burned works" thing is about people who are in Christ.
Whoever He was talking to He told them to judge.

mugz: Daniel, Jesus was pro-law and order.
SoloRich: And too often people are just too ready to fall for those substitutes because they require nothing from those who accept them. They don't have to change or give proper place in their lives for God.

Daniel: He told someone to judge! And yet you say it is wrong to judge!

mugz: Daniel, and against lawlessness. Context is everything. There is a time to judge, and a time to not judge.

Daniel: If someone says things that go against scripture, I righteously judge that they are not in the truth, and that they are going to hell.

mugz: Daniel, as if you see perfectly. :P
tzipsaway: Daniel, the problem there is scripture has to be interpreted.
SoloRich: I think mugz there is a terminology issue for him he doesn't get the difference between discerning what is good and passing judgement on others...and i don't think he's willing to actually understand the difference.

Daniel: It's not a case of being perfect or mistaken; these people will not relent in the face of correction.

tzipsaway: lol! Exactly, mugz. Who the very heck knows what the writer was thinking/wanted/was saying at the time.
mugz: !amp 1co 13:12xv
tzipsaway: Translated through, what, five languages, when we can't be sure of what he meant the FIRST time.
BibleBot: (AMP) 1 Corinthians 13:

12 For now we are looking in a mirror that gives only a dim (blurred) reflection [of reality as in a riddle or enigma], but then [when perfection comes] we shall see in reality {and} face to face! Now I know in part (imperfectly), but then I shall know {and} understand fully {and} clearly, even in the same manner as I have been fully {and} clearly known {and} understood [by God].

Daniel: If you can "discern what is good" then you can also "pass judgement on others." That you don't see the connection is a sign you are not saved.

mugz: Daniel, if Paul did not see perfectly, I am convinced that you do not either.

Daniel: tzipsaway, then you can't know anything about Christ by that logic; why believe at all. At least you agree, whatever it is you believe in, it is not the Bible.

mugz: Daniel, I can judge some sins, but not the souls of those who commit them - neither can you.

Daniel: Yes i can; and I'm not wrong in doing so.

mugz yawns
tzipsaway: Daniel, you can know for sure that Jesus died for your sins and if you believe this and repent you'll go to heaven. You can know for sure that you're supposed to treat other people kindly. Aside from those things take your pick.
SoloRich: Personally, I think having all those clarifications in the text of the amplified would drive me to distraction but it does do a good job clarifying things sometimes... I keep putting buying a copy on the back burner I've got some excess cash this month maybe I should buy a copy.
mugz: !kjv jam 4:12xvi
BibleBot: (KJV) James 4:

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

mugz: ^and its not Daniel

Daniel: tzipsaway, How can you know that? Maybe it was written wrong or translated wrong or interpreted wrong!

tzipsaway: mugz, That's one of the nicest things about being satan spawn. I can judge and judge and judge. :)))
mugz: lol
SoloRich: CaptJaCkSparr0w, you still there?
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Yes, buddy.
tzipsaway: And you, mugz, are a nincompoop. THERE, take THAT!
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Sorry. Was on the phone.

Daniel: I am a saint with the mind of Christ.

The chat goes on for a little bit about trivial matters. I come back to share a link to a comment I had posted to another article of mine; the comment is a quoted log from the same chat this current article is from.

Daniel: http://danielpbarron.com/2019/god-didnt-explicitly-say-anything-against-it/#comment-1925

kissa: Daniel, is it okay for a man have multiple wives?
Fen thinks it's rude of you to post logs of our IRC comments to your blog without any warning whatsoever, let alone having actually asked us if we're okay with it.xvii
SoloRich: Sara_Ks having someone come on this channel and start labeling people as hell bound is not a good thing.

Daniel: kissa, yes.
Fen, let this be your warning.

SoloRich: and Daniel has done this.
Fen: Daniel, too late. Let this be your ignore. Good riddance.
kissa: Daniel, is it okay for two homosexuals to marry?

Daniel: kissa, no.

kissa: Daniel, I subscribe to totally different christian religion then....

Daniel: kissa, Indeed you do, and for that you are not saved.

kissa: Daniel, how many wives do you have?xviii

Daniel: I have no wives.

kissa: Daniel, I might know the reason ... wiminxix don't want to 'share their man'
SoloRich: Is Daniel a FLDS guy?
CaptJaCkSparr0w: What is FLDS?

Daniel: They are under the curse (Genesis 3:16xx)

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Daniel, what is your intention being here? Like me in the past, I'll admit I was drunk.xxi
SoloRich: Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints...they are Mormons that still practice polygamy.
kissa: FLDS = Mormon

Daniel: To tell the Gospel; to warn people.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Are you the same?

Daniel: Mormonism leads to hell.

SoloRich: LDS is different but I'm leaving them.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Your way of spreading the gospel is by demanding to me which church do I go to? which stewpid dimwit taught you that?
kissa: Daniel, do you think, at the end, there would be more people in hell, than in heaven?

Daniel: Most churches teach damning lies; it's an important question.
kissa, yes.

SoloRich: Mormonism is not really christian but I'd never say they are all going to hell.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Daniel, I beg of you don't ever say that. Every single church in this world has been bought by a heavy price.

Daniel: CaptJaCkSparr0w, that is a lie that your false church has taught you.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: You wanna try replicate what Jesus did for us sinners? Since you think your so smart?
SoloRich: Daniel, you're repeating yourself.
RenaissanceMan: Everybody is going to hell except Daniel. So it doesn't really matter.
SoloRich: lol RenaissanceMan.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: RenaissanceMan, kudos to ya bud. Yes. Were you a bloody born christian, Daniel? What do you know about my Jesus!!! Speak now. Sorry, Sara_Ks, losing my temper with this fool.

Daniel: I know that your Jesus is a false god.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Then why are you even in this channel?
SoloRich: Capt if you can keep your openness of heart throughout your life you'll have a better christian walk than many.

Daniel: To debate with "christians."

kissa: Daniel, what is the main message of Christianity?

Daniel: kissa, Matthew 22:

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

kissa: Daniel, I agree :) There's hope.

Daniel: It is out of my love for you all that i warn you.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Warn us what.

Daniel: CaptJaCkSparr0w, that you believe in a false god and the real God will destroy you forever in hell if you don't repent.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Okay, I agree Daniel, perhaps it's time to worship the real god as you say.
SoloRich: Daniel are you a Jehovah's witness?
CaptJaCkSparr0w: So where do I find this real god? I wanna worship him now.

Daniel: "Jehovah's Witnesses" Are Not Jehovah's Witnesses.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Give me access to him so I may be saved.

Daniel: CaptJaCkSparr0w, http://atruechurch.info/whatmustido.html

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Explain to me here, lamer.
EricofAZ: G'day all. Play Nice.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Don't show me links.xxii

Daniel: Links is how the internet works, CaptJaCkSparr0w.

CaptJaCkSparr0w: Explain to me how your idiotic god is better than my Jesus. Well I don't work that way baby.xxiii Sorry.
SoloRich: What do you believe in then, Daniel? Are you one of the Bible Students association?
EricofAZ: Capt, please, take it down a notch.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: He probably cleans the toilets there.

Daniel: It's explained quite well in the article I provided.

EricofAZ: Let me assist you, Cap'n.xxiv
SoloRich: Capt, let's keep it civil; we may not like how this guy talks etc. but we don't need to sink to that level.
Fen: EricofAZ, I realize you just got here but, for what it's worth, Daniel has been condemning us all to hell for a while now. I suspect CaptJaCkSparr0w is, like some of us, losing his patience.
SoloRich: Eric, Daniel came in telling us individually were going to hell.
EricofAZ: I saw.
SoloRich: It's a pretty upsetting behaviour to say the least and CaptJaCkSparr0w is new to the faith.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: hmm. hmm.
kissa: You need to be strong enough in your own faith and believes, as not to allow some else to shake it ... this is a debate channel.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Thanks. Best I keep quiet. I'm new to Jesus and I dowanxxv this single IRC incident to push me 100000000000000000000000000000000000x steps back.
SoloRich: kissa, it is a roller-coaster ride in here sometimes...its easy to get swept away.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: Sara_Ks knows what a demon I was.
Fen: kissa, telling others they're going to hell because they disagree with your narrow minded beliefs isn't a valid form of debate.
kissa: SoloRich, I know, and I understand it.
CaptJaCkSparr0w: No more arguing with that fella. Done ignored. No more unignoring.
SoloRich: Yeah, if someone's crossing too many lines for ya its best to ignore 'em at least till an op comes in and can restore order.
kissa: When I asked Daniel, what is his main message of Christianity? He posted this, which is my main message of Christianity as well .....
kissa:

Daniel: kissa, Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

  1. "Latter-day Saints." aka Mormonism.
  2. Matthew 7:
    15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

  3. Matthew 7:
    20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

  4. "Let me."
  5. 1 Corinthians 3:
    15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

  6. He says this directly after I quote scripture! I don't know if that's what crossed the line for him.
  7. Matthew 5:
    19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

  8. They end up seeing this line because they don't have the bot on ignore.
  9. Apparently he lied about putting me on ignore, too!
  10. Romans 2:
    11 For there is no partiality with God.

  11. "Permanently banned."
  12. You wouldn't have been the first!
  13. Does he mean "dimwit" ? I don't know.
  14. He lost me!
  15. 1 Corinthians 13:
    12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

  16. James 4:
    12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?

  17. I had been sharing links to quoted chat logs many times leading up to this point. Is that not a "warning" ? Also, why is it that people, particularly "christians," are so averse to the idea of the things they say in public being published in public? I get this a lot and it gets me banned from places.
  18. I get this question a lot too. People think that if I believe it's not wrong for a man to have multiple wives, it must be because I already have multiple wives, and not simply because I believe the Bible.
  19. "Women."
  20. Genesis 3:
    16 To the woman He said:

    “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
    In pain you shall bring forth children;
    Your desire shall be for your husband,
    And he shall rule over you.”

  21. The channel we are chatting in is specifically for "debate" and not for fellowship or confessing things. I'm not sure what his point is here.
  22. That's another thing I get a lot. People want me to re-explain what has already been laid out conveniently in the form of an article. As if the veracity of my claim hinges on my ability to recite everything from memory? I don't know. I wish more people made articles out of their claims so that I could read them on my own time, comment on them, and quote them in my own rebuttal articles.
  23. You don't read?
  24. EricofAZ is an operator of the channel and sets CaptJaCkSparr0w's mode to "-v" meaning no voice. The voice is given back not too long after, but it was a sort of time-out.
  25. "Don't want" ?

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