Daniel P. Barron

How can I personally attack myself?

Friday, May 31, 2019

This log has been reviewed by Darwin Fish.

Daniel: Nutjobs like this guy are the ones who follow the Bible closest.

brucemo: Warned for 1.4.i That you rehosted a conversation elsewhere does not obviate the need to observe our rules.

Daniel: What was the "personal attack" ? You do realize that I am the "nutjob" right? How can I personally attack myself?

brucemo: No, I didn't. It's not clear from the title and I would have had to read this more closely than I did to see that. I rescind this with apologies. I'll ask you though not to post links to conversations with subscribers though. That's too close to what our cross-posting rule is intended to cover.

lju1977: What was the point of this?

Daniel: Guy correctly identifies me as one of very few who actually believe the Bible.

lju1977: Ah, I couldn't tell who was who :)

RazarTuk: So you see nothing wrong with literally objectifying people by treating them as commodities to be bought and sold?

Daniel: Not inherently, no. Does the Bible say it's wrong?

noahsurvived:

You shall not hand over to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall live with you in your midst, in the place which he shall choose in one of your towns where it pleases him; you shall not mistreat him. Deuteronomy 23:15-16ii

Why didn't God command them to return the slave to his master? Allowing slavery is not the same as endorsing slavery. God also allowed the Jews to divorce, but we learn from Jesus how God truly feels about divorce:

“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses order a man to give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

Jesus answered, “It was because of your hardness of heart that Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but it was not this way from the beginning. Now I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman, commits adultery.” Matthew 19:7-9iii

Daniel: Where does the New Testament forbid slavery?

_techgeek: Oh hey look, more spam. Reported.

Daniel: How is it spam?

DT33AD: You seem like a bad person.

DiZXIII: Stop spamming.

warnerfranklin: Gee, funny, I thought it was people like Mother Theresa.... I'm glad that got cleared up....

Daniel: Mother Theresa is in hell.

Darwin: Another good verse on this subject is the New Testament verse in Colossians 4:

1 Masters, give your bondservants what is just and fair, knowing that you also have a Master in heaven.

It points out Christian masters (slave owners) are themselves slaves.


  1. 1.4. Personal attacks
    This is essentially do not use ad hominem attacks. We allow people to harshly criticize arguments, but please remember to respect the authors of those arguments.

    We will try to read heated language charitably.
    We may ask you to edit your posts in some instances.
    We may also have advice on how to express your point of view in a constructive manner.
    It is OK to message the moderators for second opinions.

  2. Deuteronomy 23:
    15 “You shall not give back to his master the slave who has escaped from his master to you. 16 He may dwell with you in your midst, in the place which he chooses within one of your gates, where it seems best to him; you shall not oppress him.

  3. Matthew 19:
    7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”

    8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

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