Daniel P. Barron

And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.

February 25, 2019

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Daniel: You must believe the entire Bible or God will destroy you forever in the lake of fire. Most churches lead to hell, and I am probably the only saved person in this channel.i

axelf: Daniel, you're the only saved person in the channel? You're a bit full of yourself, aren't you?

Daniel: I'm full of the holy spirit.

axelf: Uh huh. You're full of some kind of spirit. Dunno if it's holy or not.

Daniel: Do you think that you are saved, axelf?

LeadGoat: I think I'm saved. Don't tell me if been lying to myself.

Daniel: LeadGoat, do you believe God kills people?ii

LeadGoat: I might kill you in cognitive dissonance.

Daniel: hm?

axelf: Saved? From what?

Daniel: From eternal destruction.

axelf: Nothing lasts forever.
barabbas`: (NIV) Acts 16:

30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Daniel: The lake of fire burns forever. The Lord Jesus is the Word of God. Matthew 4:

4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”

axelf: So why do you believe everyone else in here except you is going to burn in hell?

Daniel: I said probably, and it's because most people do not believe the whole Bible.

axelf: Good thing you're such a saint, eh?
LeadGoat: Are you talking about the book or the testimonies?
Bashstreet: All believers are saints.

Daniel: Yes, all believers are saints, but I'm probably the only saint in here.

LeadGoat: pffftiii

Daniel: Do you believe God kills people?

LeadGoat: I'll cool down later.
axelf: I don't. I don't believe any of that.

Daniel: If you don't believe God kills people, you aren't saved.

barabbas`: God saves he doesn't kill.

Daniel: The Bible says He kills. You don't believe the Bible.

LeadGoat: Daniel, the lord giveth and the lord taketh away.iv
barabbas`: I believe what the Bible says, I don't believe what you think it says.

Daniel: Genesis 6:

7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”

LeadGoat: I'm supposed to believe in people who vanished in thin air.

Daniel: barabbas` doesn't believe Genesis 6:7.

barabbas`: Yet here we, man, is, alive and kicking.

Daniel: Noah and 7 others were spared. Everyone else was killed, by God.

barabbas`: Like I said, God saves.

Daniel: Genesis 19:

24 Then the Lord rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 So He overthrew those cities, all the plain, all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.

barabbas` doesn't believe Genesis 19:24-25.

Bashstreet: axelf, God does not directly kill people as such (far as i know) Although when wicked are thrown into lake of fire and perish it will be the second and final death to them.

Daniel: Bashstreet, the Bible says He does directly kill people. Genesis 38:

7 But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord, and the Lord killed him.

Bashstreet: Daniel, yes God send the flood. But if you know this. Jesus took wrath of God away and even unbelievers are under grace. God promised not to send any more flood events.
barabbas`: Bible says he allows people to be killed, doesn't say he did it. I would argue that the killing was all done by Satan, not God.

Daniel: Bashstreet, that's not the point. the point is God kills.
barabbas`, it says literally that God kills. It does not say "he allowed them to die."

barabbas`: If you say so.
AdidasAlex: That was during Noah's arc.

Daniel: It's not what I say; it's what the Bible says.

Bashstreet: Daniel, I do not think you have any other point but to troll here so it is all fine.
AdidasAlex: Your talking about the old testament.
barabbas`: That's not the way I read it, so, it is just what you say.

Daniel: I am not trolling. I really believe the Bible. Exodus 12:

29 And it came to pass at midnight that the Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of livestock.

barabbas`: But hey, you are welcome to your beliefs. God did give us all free will. If you want to create a killer god, be my guest.
AdidasAlex: Daniel, the old testament was used against me to prevent giving myself a clear identity of how to be a Christian.

Daniel: Free will is a false doctrine.v God causes all things.

barabbas`: Daniel, do you believe Satan is as active as God?

Daniel: Jeremiah 10:

23 O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself;
It is not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

barabbas`, I don't understand your question.

barabbas`: God caused the light and in return darkness was also known. God creates the good and as a result evil also exists. it is a question of intent, not action. Did God INTEND for man to die, or was mans death the result of Satan's influence on man?
AdidasAlex: Okay. before anyone starts debating. Everyone should claim to either not have, or have a clear identity of being a christian.

Daniel: The Bible says God separated the light from the darkness. It says there was darkness before God created light. Genesis 1:

2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

barabbas`: No, the Bible says first God CREATED light THEN he separated it from the darkness. (NIV) Genesis 1:

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Daniel: Yes, but it says there was darkness before that creation of light.

barabbas`: Where does it say there was darkness before he created light? I just posted verse 2, you posted verse 1, please show me where darkness is mentioned BEFORE light was created.
AdidasAlex: Who claims to say Moses law doesn't apply to the lions who kill zebras?
Bashstreet: barabbas`, God has wiped earth from man before but he made a covenant with Noah to never do it again. (we know the reasons of the flood) Our life relies directly from will and succor from God. God can end life as he sees fit or not. But if we talk generally every life is already designed from beginning of life every event and so on it is plan of God.

Daniel: barabbas`, I just showed genesis 1:2.

barabbas`: (NIV) Genesis 1:

2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Daniel: Bashstreet, God kills. stop trying to rationalize away from it.

barabbas`: (NIV) Genesis 1:

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Bashstreet: Daniel, I do not need your words walker of the dark.

Daniel: aha, darkness and then light!

barabbas`: Daniel Can you know dark, if light doesn't exit?

Daniel: Apparently, yes.

barabbas`: How? Can you know evil, if good doesn't exist?

Daniel: I don't know.

LeadGoat: Ask a blind man.

Daniel: But if you're asking me to rely on my own understanding, then no thanks.vi

AdidasAlex: I know a blind man.
barabbas`: Daniel, please explain the concept of dark without using the concept of not dark, or light.

Daniel: barabbas`, no. I will just believe the Bible for what it says and not add my own words.vii

LeadGoat: Daniel, it's you everyone's worried about.
barabbas`: The Bible says we can't know good unless evil exists. In fact this is why God bound the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. God didn't bind evil from the garden. We know evil existed, because we know the serpent was in the garden.

Daniel: Where does it say that?

barabbas`: (NIV) Isaiah 45:

7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.

8 “You heavens above, rain down my righteousness;
let the clouds shower it down.
Let the earth open wide,
let salvation spring up,
let righteousness flourish with it;
I, the Lord, have created it.

9 “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker,
those who are nothing but potsherds
among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,
‘What are you making?’
Does your work say,
‘The potter has no hands’?

Daniel: That doesn't say you can't know good without evil.

Banquo: :)
barabbas`: Daniel notice that darkness was created WHEN God formed the light. Disaster was created when God brought prosperity.

Daniel: No, it just says He creates them.

barabbas`: Daniel, please then, explain the concept of evil without using anything that denotes good in the explanation.

Daniel: No, I'll just go with what the Bible says.

barabbas`: I just showed you what the Bible says. It says that darkness was created when God formed the light. It says disaster was created when God brought prosperity.

Daniel: No it doesn't. You are adding to the Word. It says that God creates peace and disaster; not that one came to exist because of the other.

barabbas`: Daniel, it is pretty clear that you can't have one without the other, that good cannot exist without evil also existing. The point is, we can only know good IN RELATION TO NOT GOOD. If I say X is good, it implies that anything not X is not good.

Daniel: Nothing is impossible with God;viii He can create good without evil.

barabbas`: Daniel, nope, sorry, it does not say he created both. It says he created one AND THE OTHER was a result of that creation, not the intent of that creation.

Daniel: In fact, before He created anything, there was only Him, and there is no evil in God.
barabbas`, it literally says He creates both. You are obviously adding to the word.

barabbas`: Daniel, and before we knew evil by eating of the tree of knowledge, we didn't fully know God. If we had fully known God, we would not have eaten of the tree of knowledge.

Daniel: It doesn't say that.

barabbas`: Daniel, read it again. It does not say he literally created both. It says he created one and the OTHER WAS A RESULT OF THAT CREATION. It does not say I created light, then I created darkness.

Daniel: You are proving my point established at the start: most people in here do not believe the Bible. You believe in a false Christ and a false doctrine and you lie and say it is the Bible you believe.

barabbas`: Daniel, nice that you can tell me what I believe, yet you can't read what the Bible says. Nice chatting, God Bless.

  1. You Think You're Saved, But You're Not!
  2. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand.
  3. As if to say sarcastically, "yeah right."
  4. Job 1:
    21 And he said:

    “Naked I came from my mother’s womb,
    And naked shall I return there.
    The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away;
    Blessed be the name of the Lord.”

  5. This goes against all human rationality.
  6. Proverbs 3:
    5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
    And lean not on your own understanding;

  7. Proverbs 30:
    Do not add to His words,
    Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

  8. Luke 1:
    37 For with God nothing will be impossible.”

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