The context here is that rondito had messaged me in private saying he had been reading atruechurch.info and that he was interested.
lek: Who would win in a modern day US rebellion, rebels or government?
rondito: Satan controls the entire world but America is his throne. Government would win easy.
Daniel: rondito, can you back that up with scripture?
rondito: I am not learned in scripture. I have faith.
Daniel: Okay, but you are making some claims that require proof.
rondito: Prove me wrong, Daniel. I respect you. I read your site.
Daniel: It's not my site, by the way.
rondito: I love it. Oh, I see.
Daniel: My friend Darwin writes it.
rondito: It contains mad truth.
bb420: Where yo site, Daniel?
Daniel: http://atruechurch.info/
stratum: Daniel, what is your view on the theory that John 19:26-27 i is indicating that Jesus was married to a male disciple? As in 'son-in-law', 'mother-in-law'
rondito: Scripture says fags will burn. I know that.
stratum: rondito, that isn't accurate.
rondito: It is. Paul wrote it.
Daniel: Well.. God is married to the church ii which is those who believe.
stratum: rondito, it says individuals who are men who engage in sex with another man are bad -- it says nothing about chaste homosexuals.
rondito: Read letter to Corinth. Untrue.
bb420: Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed"
mobbb: you have any idea how boring the bible is?
Daniel: Some parts, sure.
stratum: mobbb, there's some super cool stories in the Bible.
bb420: Sounds like god was tryna grow some dank.
mobbb: I know.
m0ngk: Your parents never gave you permission to smoke weed so you're turning to the Bible.
Daniel: God never forbid the use of any drugs.
mobbb: Manna from heaven.
lulzy: Daniel, amen.
m0ngk: Yeah, I'm sure you like to think that. lol
Daniel: There is no evidence that manna is drugs.
rondito: God forbids drunkenness ie intoxication as such.
Daniel: Okay, but God manufactured and distributed alcohol iii which can make you drunk.
rondito: It can. If you choose.
Daniel: He even says we must remember His death by drinking wine.
rondito: Drinking wine is not drunkenness.
Daniel: And doing drugs is not inherently drunkenness.
rondito: trv. Moderation.
lek: atruechurch.info what did I just read?
rondito: If not temperance.
Daniel: lek, the truth.
lek: Daniel, looks like half true half Judaism.
Daniel: Modern Judaism leads to hell.
lek: No thanks.
Daniel: Christians are the true Jews.
lulzy: lek, #ATRUECHURCH's main goal is to expel all the false teachers out there.
rondito: Islam denies the moshiach christ.
lulzy: You should give them a listen sometime.
rondito: Just like Judaism.
lek: We dont deny Jesus. (pbuh) He's Christ.
lulzy: #ATRUECHURCH are the Atmosphere/Slug of the christian hip-hop world iv
rondito: You deny he was god as man.
Daniel: Islam leads to hell.
lek: He was not god as man.
mobbb: John Allegro was the only atheist on the dead sea scrolls team, he revealed that the early Christians were a mushroom fertility cult.
rondito: Satan, lek. Free yourself.
Daniel: lek, http://atruechurch.info/quran.html
mobbb: They freaked out and kicked him off the team.
Daniel: If it's not in the 66 books of the Bible, take it with a grain of salt.
lek: Okay. Daniel, what rationalizing did i just read?
Daniel: The book of Islam contradicts itself.
rondito: Save your soul right now. Pray to Jesus from your heart he will communicate your faith to Yahweh through the holy spirit.
lek: lol Everyone else is wrong but a website made a couple of years ago is correct.
Daniel: It says to believe the Bible (which says Christ is God)
lek: LOL HY YOHRE ALL WRONG
Daniel: Most churches and religions lead to hell (just as the Bible says) It says very few will believe.
rondito: trv
Daniel: The path to the kingdom of God is narrow.
lek: Prior to the founding if atruechurch.info what was the correct path?
Daniel: The Bible is always the correct path. A true church is not the first group of believers.
lek: "Inspired by god" says so on the cover of the Bible. Who knows who wrote it.
rondito: Fellowship is good but not required.
bb420: The Bible is a huge fiction.
stratum: John 1:1 v says that, effectively, the bible IS god.
rondito: There are many Roman sources confirming the Bible and Christ. Maybe you read wikipedia. lol
bb420: Nah, god is some alien nigga that rolled up in a UFO with LSD.
Daniel: That's correct, stratum. God is an alien, yes. He is not from this world.
bb420: How can there be a god in a infinite universe? Is there infinite gods?
germy: There isn't a god. There's not a god.
rondito: Its not your job to understand.
Daniel: rondito, in Revelation 2 it mentions Satan's throne, vi but I don't see how it connects to America. germy, you are a fool!
rondito: America will be gone by that time, Daniel.
Daniel: bb420, God is infinite. vii
germy: How am I a fool?
bb420: I'm with germy until I got some proof.
Daniel: rondito, okay but where does the Bible say America is Satan's throne? germy, the Bible says that a fool says there is no God viii
rondito: It is evident in society do you not live in USA??? He will move on. America will perish.
lulzy: Dammit.
germy: Okay, so the bible says a lot of crazy stuff.The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
Is it OK to call someone a fool?
Daniel: Yes.
rondito: Yes.
m0ngk: lol at people denying there's a god.
fkinglag: Yes.
rondito: You are foolish. Repent now. Tomorrow is not promised.
bb420: Show me some solid proof of an afterlife... when you die, you die lights out.... nothing....
Daniel: rondito, I don't think you are saved.
germy: I want more proof than blowing up an abortion clinic. To convert.
rondito: You cannot say that, Daniel, without sinning.
Daniel: germy, you can only believe if God makes you believe.
m0ngk: lol proof of an afterlife.
rondito: God knows my heart.
m0ngk: You don't need proof.
stratum: The scripture says, somewhere, that if you need proof you don't need Jesus.
Daniel: The heavens declare the glory of God ix
bb420: The human brain dies when you do.
germy: If there ever once was a god, then he is now truly dead.
m0ngk: The spirit is not in the brain.
rondito: It is a sin to speculate on judgement.
bb420: There is no spirit.
m0ngk: If that's what you think, then I feel sorry for you.
Daniel: rondito, you've been reading the website, is there anything on there with which you disagree?
bb420: I just want some proof.
m0ngk: Proof is in you and all around you.
rondito: No, Daniel. x
germy: Very little hope I assure you. No. If a god of love and life ever did exist... he is long since dead. Someone... something, rules in his place.
rondito: I like it all.
bb420: Nah, this world is [bad], how could there possibly be a god?
rondito: I have shared it with my family.
germy: There isn't one.
m0ngk: You're looking at the world too narrowly then.
Daniel: rondito, it's just that most people do not believe, and I have no reason to think you are different. just because you've read the site doesn't mean we agree. And now you are making claims about Satan that are not founded in the Bible.
rondito: Counsel me. I respect your opinion. I speculate on the evil ones intent I may be wrong. It is unimportant to say what Satan does.
Daniel: Then don't say it.
rondito: I don't believe in America. I don't believe in murder inc.
Daniel: I don't like America either, and it very well may be Satan's throne, but I don't know.
rondito: Okay, fair enough. I am no prophet. lol
m0ngk: If you don't like America you don't like freedom.
Daniel: You are not free to have multiple wives in America.
lek: Freedumb.
rondito: trv
Daniel: You are not free to use drugs in America.
bb420: But I can have my ar15 and a bunch of explosives.
rondito: Freedom cucks xi are retarded in my opinion.
lek: lol @ freedom and highest incarceration rate in the world.
rondito: Boot licking toadies.
bb420: Name another country where I can legally detonate explosives with my ar15.
stratum: Louisiana has a incarceration rate roughly 1200% higher than Denmark.
Daniel: And if we're counting Canada as part of America, you aren't free to SPEAK!
m0ngk: You want multiple wives, go to Islam. You want drugs? Well, go to Portugal I guess. But you can have multiple wives and use drugs in America, you just shouldn't get caught lol. But drugs are bad for you anyway. And multiple wives is just a headache.
rondito: I have no care for countries.
m0ngk: Or go move to Utah and be a Mormon. xii
rondito: This world is not my home. I am. Passing through.
Daniel: m0ngk, a man who gets a wife gets a good thing xiii
rondito: One day I will meet my lord.
bb420: Nah, wives cheat and steal your money.
Daniel: m0ngk, so you are basically saying, America is about freedom as long as you like the same things I like. So that's every country.
rondito: There is NOTHING to gain from attachment to this world.
m0ngk: I guess it depends on your definition of freedom.
rondito: All is suffering. xiv abchasing after the wind.
Daniel: True freedom is belief in the Bible.
Clamkin: rondito smells like farts.
rondito: Agreed.
Daniel: If you don't believe in God, you are a slave to sin xv
rondito: lol trv
Daniel: m0ngk, Islam leads to hell. they may have a few things right, like multiple wives and killing adulterers, xvi but they are yet another false religion.
lek: Some of you are bastards. (born from sin) Sucks for y'all.
Daniel: We are all born sinners. xvii
lek: No.
rondito: lek is controlled by Islam dogma.
Daniel: All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
germy: There is no such thing as sin.
lek: Jesus didn't sin.
Daniel: You aren't Jesus.
rondito: I am a sinner. I will be cleansed one day.
germy: There is no such thing as sin.
stratum: Jesus stories do not sound like historical data. All gods are based on faith.
rondito: Not in this world.
lek: Life is free for all. Eat or get eaten.
m0ngk: There's no love in multiple wives. Multiple wives is like, only for status and procreation.
Daniel: It takes faith to believe the stuff that's not in the Bible. Just a wrong kind of faith.
lek: LIFE IS FREE FOR ALL
rondito: Arrogant fools believe they know better than the word.
lek: Rape and kill.
rondito: Your beliefs are laughable.
lek: Hustle make money.
Daniel: m0ngk, wrong. It is a lack of love to deny a woman from marrying a man that already has a wife.
m0ngk: lol. Sure buddy.
Daniel: m0ngk, this is the plot of most western movies. Guy has to choose between two girls, one of which gets her heart broken.
rondito: Women serve men.
Daniel: The Bible says there is no law against love xviii
rondito: Who would deny their role?
Daniel: Yes, woman was created to be a help to man.
rondito: trv
m0ngk: Even where there is multiple wives, you have the wife #1. The head wife. This says something. There is a reason why the bible says one man and one woman.
rondito: My wife was a great service. We loved despite her addiction and her death. xix She believed. I will see her again.
Daniel: The Bible does not forbid having multiple wives, and many righteous men did indeed have multiple.
abum: Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!
rondito: Fools itc. Mock god. None of my concern. Save yourself.
Daniel: You don't have to have a "head wife." And even if you did, that doesn't mean you don't love the others.
m0ngk: You can't love them all the same way.
Daniel: By this logic you shouldn't have more than one child.
m0ngk: Bad application of logic.
abum: Or more than one pet.
Daniel: If a girl loves you, and she believes, it would be cruel to not marry her. xx
m0ngk: Personally, I don't oppose multiple wives, if one can provide for all of them. Or if there is some kind of working arrangement. But I wouldn't approve if they are clearly just vessels of procreation and unable to fulfill their own desires and goals in life. In other words, slaves. Yeah but love is two ways.
lek: My grandfather had four wives.
rondito: idk from multiple wives but it is not forbidden. I prefer one. I'm no good at math.
Daniel: m0ngk, the Bible says a husband should provide for his family xxi
m0ngk: I agree, Daniel.
Daniel: Clearly the wives I am describing are not like slaves, if they are being married because they love the man.
rondito: People don't believe it but I had a wife and I raised four children for many years. I suffered a big fall. From my own arrogance. And sin.
Daniel: Not that slavery is wrong.
lek: Slavery is wrong.
Daniel: (the Bible does not forbid slavery)
rondito: But I loved my family.
lek: Forbidding and working to eradicate slavery are two different things that lead to the same conclusion. That slavery is bad.
dieforirc: Were they your kids or just some random kids you raised.
rondito: They were mine. They are mine.
Daniel: There were many righteous men who had slaves.
rondito: My wife's faith and her untimely death played a large factor in my rebirth. I WILL see her again. And I will see my God.
dieforirc: Do they know the light of LRH?
jordan_3: Scoo scoooooooooo
rondito: Do you want to goad me into talking [bad] about LRH? It is a fine comedy stream.
dieforirc: Who wants to talk [bad] about LRH?
rondito: Not me.
Daniel: I like LRH because it lets me get the word out about the Bible.
dieforirc: It's the only reason to get up in the morning.
Daniel: Not many shows let me do that.
lek: Gay. plz /part. Go preach in #israel.
jordan_3: Lol man I love this group.
rondito: How is the gin and water, jordan? Did you know that when you drink spirits demons take over your body? And manipulate your actions.
Daniel: That is not true, rondito.
rondito: This is not in the Bible. But it is observable.
Daniel: If it's not in the Bible then don't say it!
rondito: trv
Daniel: Believers can and do drink.
rondito: It is just the way I feel. Yes. I drink. But liquor is a bit much.
Daniel: I go to fellow twice a week and a lot of us drink. We drink liquor.
rondito: I drink beers. Or low proof wine.
Daniel: You can drink 200 proof it's not wrong.
rondito: Sure but it can lead to great sin.
Daniel: Just don't get drunk.
rondito: Blackouts. One unit of alcohol is equal to half a pint of beer. Three units of alcohol in one hour, leads to drunken behavior.
Daniel: It depends on your tolerance. And your body weight.
rondito: Maybe so. I am 220 lbs and a hardcore alcoholic. If I chug two pints of beer per hour, I will be drunk in five.
Daniel: Nobody who believes is an alcoholic. If alcoholic means addiction.
rondito: That is kind to say. xxii Alcoholism in my life means keeping off the shakes.
dieforirc: Anyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic.
rondito: I have to drink a pint every two days. Or I become unnerved.
Daniel: You should only serve one master, God xxiii
gjvc: I give up.
Daniel: If you are addicted to alcohol, that means you aren't serving God.
rondito: You gotta serve somebody. I don't feel like I am betraying the lord. If he told me, I would stop.
Daniel: The Bible says this.
rondito: I have given up MANY drugs, Daniel. That led me to sin. When I was a young man I sold meth and crack. And I robbed people.
Daniel: I know what you are talking about with the withdraw symptoms, and I don't think having them means you aren't saved, but make sure you aren't addicted in the head.
KutmasteR: Naw, they turn water to wine. God loves alcohol.
rondito: If I can't get alcohol I resign myself to suffer through.
jordan_3: Gin is alright tonight yeck.
rondito: I take a drug called depakote that controls seizures. I know I can do through withdrawal.
jordan_3: My lil brother was on it.
Daniel: And maybe consider taking a break; that stuff is expensive and it does a lot of damage when you do a lot of it.
rondito: Yeah. I made it three months last time. In my 20s i made it five years.
Daniel: Made it? I'm not saying quit.
rondito: Sober. No alcohol.
Daniel: You don't have to quit entirely, just stop drinking so much and let your body rest a little.
rondito: My tolerance roars up as soon as I drink again. I drink two nights a week now.
Daniel: I was drinking a lot earlier this year, and I was getting a beer belly too. so I stopped drinking so much.
rondito: It is a problem for me. I have attended AA. SAIOP. One on one therapy.
Daniel: AA leads to hell. Did you see our article on that?
rondito: Not in my town. They pray the lord's prayer. xxiv
Daniel: All AA leads to hell.
rondito: In a circle.
Daniel: so?
rondito: And speak openly of god. So you are wrong about that.
Daniel: Most false churches will do the lord's prayer.
rondito: Each AA group operates autonomously.
stratum: AA is a cult.
Daniel: No. Wrong. The Bible says to flee from the voice of a stranger. xxv
stratum: "We're a self-service cult, we wash our own brains."
rondito: They are my neighbors. I live in a very small town.
Daniel: stratum, correct.
rondito: ..
Daniel: http://atruechurch.info/aa.html. Check it out.
rondito: I prefer celebrate recovery. xxvi Friday nights at my baptist church.
Daniel: oi
rondito: But Friday is when I get paid. And I like to drink then.
Daniel: Dude you attend a false church too??
rondito: It's a struggle. I attend any church.
Daniel: The Bible says not to!
rondito: I like people who believe. I was raised catholic.
Daniel: They don't believe!! Catholicism leads to hell.
rondito: I don't believe that. Yes.
Daniel: Okay, well then you are not saved.
rondito: Catholicism is a cult. Of evil.
Daniel: You are on your way to hell.
anji_: I was raised catholic too.
rondito: This freewill baptist church is very nice, Daniel. You would enjoy it.
anji_: I went to Catholic Church as a young kid.
rondito: It is just people coming together.
Daniel: rondito, have them check out our website.
rondito: To talk about their problems.
Daniel: I'm certain they will say it is wrong.
rondito: I showed it to my mother who is a big member. xxvii She said it is all true.
Daniel: How is that any proof? You and your mother both are on your way to hell.
rondito: You sin greatly. To say these things. You cannot cast judgement. It is not yours.
Daniel: In this matter I say the truth. It is not wrong to judge.
rondito: No, but it is wrong to take ultimate judgement. From god. It is his alone. To determine who is saved.
Daniel: I said you are *on your way* to hell. You might repent and go to the kingdom of God, and that is my hope, and the reason I warn you.
KutmasteR: We all goin' to hell.
rondito: You speak in strange ways but I believe you mean well. But it is a sin to say someone will go to hell or heaven. Either way.
Daniel: You are on the broad way that leads to destruction xxviii as the Bible describes.
lek: Broadway.
rondito: What do you recommend?
Daniel: The broad way is not non-Christian religions; it is the false churches that claim to preach the gospel.
rondito: Fellowship is promoted in the new testament.
Daniel: I'm not saying fellowship is wrong. I'm specifically calling out the false churches you attend. Like the baptist thing and AA.
rondito: I don't go to AA any longer.
Daniel: Good.
rondito: I go to a free will baptist church sometimes. And they host celebrate recovery. They do good things.
Daniel: There is no such thing as free will. God causes all things.
rondito: What a silly thing to say.
Daniel: You call God silly.
rondito: God judges men. No. You say men cannot choose between good and evil. The entire premise.
Daniel: Romans 11:
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
rondito: Amen. But you simplify.
Daniel: So then where is your free will? If I choose to do something, it is of and through and to God.
rondito: A man can choose evil or good. Most choose evil. Yes.
Daniel: And those choices are of and through God. So then your free will is not outside of God's will.
rondito: You say on your website. God harden Pharaoh's heart. But his heart did not believe. In the first place. His heart was easy.
Daniel: I'm not sure what your point is. But God caused the Pharaoh to do those things.
rondito: A man whose will is to serve god will serve god. A man whose heart is for evil will serve evil.
Daniel: That is why the Pharaoh is mentioned again in Romans 9 which makes it even more clear that you have no free will.
rondito: The Pharaoh was not for god. To begin with. His heart hardened against Moses by god's will with little protest. It is silly to say he was manipulated. By god.
Daniel: Romans 9:
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
rondito: God could harden hearts of believers obviously. But he does not.
Daniel: He does.
rondito: He grants free will to choose. You are wrong.
Daniel: There have been and can be more,elect who go to hell.xxix
rondito: You are a bully.
Daniel: That is, people who were once saved, but who are now in hell. xxx
rondito: Your arrogance is a disservice to your ardent faith and ministry. In my opinion.
Daniel: I am not arrogant. I am warning you about these false beliefs you have. By using scripture.
rondito: I understand.
rondito: Do you believe, Daniel?
Daniel: Yes.
rondito: That Jesus is the son of god. Sent to earth as a man. To save mankind. Through the holy spirit?
Daniel: His name is better translated as Joshua but yes.
rondito: Alright. Then you are my brother. xxxi
Daniel: No. The Word of God is the entire Bible which you do not believe. Meaning, you do not believe that He is the son of God or that He died. Because you do not believe the entire Word of God.
rondito: I believe these things.
Daniel: You believe in a false Christ, a false Word. Matthew 4:
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
rondito: This is true also but you know I am a sinner and so are you.
Daniel: Yes I am.
KutmasteR: There is no god.
rondito: And you would deny faith in Christ. And turn away faithful.
Daniel: What's that?
rondito: ?
Daniel: Are you saying that you are faithful, and I am turning you away?
rondito: I believe you are dismissing my testimony.
Daniel: rondito, I am showing you where your statements contradict scripture.
rondito: Alright well you know I don't attend this church regularly. But I enjoy their celebrate recovery meetings.
Daniel: You shouldn't attend it at all.
rondito: They help many people.
Daniel: They help no one. There are none saved who hear the voice of a stranger. John 10:
5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.
rondito:
"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
rondito: Matthew 25:40
Daniel: 2 Peter 2:
17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
(speaking of false teachers) Water is life, and false teachers have none.
rondito:
"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
You want to divide on earth I think. But that is god's. To do on judgement day.
Daniel: rondito, the good works will be forgotten of those who perish. Just as the evil works of those who are saved will be forgotten.
rondito: It is still commanded.
Daniel: And Christ came to divide, here and now. xxxii
rondito: You chastise me and say I don't follow the entirety of the Bible. And now you argue against it.
Daniel: What do I argue against?
rondito: Helping the meek.
Daniel: How have i done this thing?
rondito:
Daniel: You shouldn't attend it at all.
rondito: They help many people.
Daniel: They help no one. There are none saved who hear the voice of a stranger.Daniel: rondito, I am helping you by warning you that such a church saves no body.
rondito: Perhaps you will go your way and I will go mine. I have heard your lectures.
Daniel: I'm sorry to hear that.
rondito: I dislike this arguing.
Daniel: Oh, I love it.
rondito: And I don't think anyone wants to read it.
Daniel: The Bible says to contend earnestly for the faith.
rondito: I have seen some things on your website. That contradict the trinity. And I am skeptical.
Daniel: So then you are a liar too.
rondito: But I hold my tongue.
Daniel: I asked you earlier if there was anything on the site with which you disagree.
rondito: Yes, I am a liar. I am a sinner as well.
Daniel: Please send an email to Darwin telling him that he has it all wrong.
rondito: hmm
Daniel: With examples and references preferably. And if he is indeed wrong, I'm sure he will repent.
rondito: I will do no such thing. What a silly venture.
Daniel: That's a shame.
rondito: I do not want to be harsh with you. Stop now.
Daniel: The "trinity" thing is also a false teaching. xxxiii God is more than just the Father Son and Holy Spirit.
rondito: mmm. Get behind me. xxxiv
Daniel: lol
rondito: Nobody's mad but the devil, Daniel.
Daniel: God is angry. Psalm 7:
11 God is a just judge, And God is angry with the wicked every day.
rondito: You suppose to know god's will.
Daniel: I know what the Bible says.
rondito: What unhappiness you must dwell in.
- John 19:
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home.
- Ephesians 5:
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones. 31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Emphasis added. ^
- John 2:
6 Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece. 7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. 8 And He said to them, “Draw some out now, and take it to the master of the feast.” And they took it. 9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom. 10 And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”
- I think this is a reference to the Rap songs on our YouTube channel, and how they have "whack beats" -- that is, the music behind the rap doesn't sound good. ^
- John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
- Revelation 2:
12 “And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword: 13 “I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells. - Psalm 147:
5 Great is our Lord, and mighty in power; His understanding is infinite.
- Psalm 14:
1 The fool has said in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt,
They have done abominable works,
There is none who does good. - Psalm 19:
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
And the firmament shows His handiwork.
2 Day unto day utters speech,
And night unto night reveals knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language
Where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line has gone out through all the earth,
And their words to the end of the world. - This is a lie. Later on in the conversation he admits to having reservations about the website. ^
- A "cuck" is a man who lets other men have sex with his wife. ^
- Mormonism leads to hell. ^
- Proverbs 18:
22 He who finds a wife finds a good thing,
And obtains favor from the Lord. - This sounds more like Buddhism. ^
- Romans 6:
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
- Leviticus 20:
10 ‘The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, he who commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death.
- Romans 5:
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. 16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. 17 For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
- Galatians 5:
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
- I missed this one. If his wife was addicted to something when she died, she is in hell. ^
- Because you as the man would still be free to marry another -- it's not as hard a decision. ^
- 1 Timothy 5:
3 Honor widows who are really widows. 4 But if any widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show piety at home and to repay their parents; for this is good and acceptable before God. 5 Now she who is really a widow, and left alone, trusts in God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day. 6 But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives. 7 And these things command, that they may be blameless. 8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
- He thought I was saying he isn't an alcoholic. What I was suggesting is that he isn't a believer. ^
- Correction: you can only serve one master. Matthew 6:
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
- LOL! "They can't be bad; they read that really nice sounding part of the Bible that all the other false churches like to read!" This is not a Biblical standard. ^
Darwin: This is not quite true. It says His sheep flee. It's a matter of fact; not put as a command. John 10:
5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”
- Wicked stuff. ^
- I misunderstood this line. I guess he meant he showed his mother our website. I thought he meant he showed his mother the false church he goes to. It's hard to tell from the log, but parts of this chat happened very quickly and it's not always easy to know what's being referenced. ^
- Matthew 7:
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Darwin: This is not true. Scripture teaches just the opposite in Romans 8:
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.I meant that there have been saved people who ended up in hell. ^
- Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
John 15:
1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. - We hear this one a lot. There is a clear pattern to the way in which people are deceived. ^
- Matthew 10:
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
- See "He Is Holy Gods. V. An Unholy Creed." ^
- Matthew 16:
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
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