What follows is a back and forth between myself and a couple others on the topics of abortion, marriage, rape, and sexism.
I have a question. What are your thoughts on abortions and why?
It’s murder, because Scripture says so. i
So the killing of the fetus makes it murder. So would a miscarriage also be murder?
Not unless it was induced.
If homosexuality and sex before marriage is a sin. In the scripture doesn’t it say that God will forgive all. Unless you sell your soul?
He will forgive what you repent of and ask for forgiveness of. Unrepentant sinners will not be forgiven. ii
In the cases of rape or not being able to care for the child is abortion okay? Isn’t it better than having the child suffer even more.
Abortion is never okay.
What are your beliefs on rape?
This version of the Bible seems to be outdated considering the time we’re in now. Could you elaborate?
The Bible is from everlasting to everlasting, iii and there is nothing new under the sun. iv
Would rape be considered a sin?
Yes.
Wouldn’t god allow for an abortion if the victim was raped?
No. Why would you think that?
Does rape justify murder?
It does not. The punishment for rape according to the law is the rapist should be forced to marry the victim, v unless she is already married vi in which case the rapist should be put to death. vii
So a woman is her father's "asset?"
See "Scriptural View Of Women, A. Submission To Husbands."
Well just think about why should the woman go through labor of carrying the baby of her rapist?
What does the rape have anything to do with murdering a child?
It’s seems like you’re not understanding me. If a rapist rapes a woman and she becomes pregnant with his child. Why should she carry the child if abortion is considered a sin and murderer?
Love for her child. You have answered your own question... or am I totally missing something here?
Women are to be raised to be wives.
Scripture says it is better if they remain single. viii
But why should she carry the child? Or is it just because the scripture says so?
Regardless of how she got pregnant, it's not her place to decide to terminate it. And yes it's because Scripture says so.
It doesn't benefit those who burn with lust though. Why not marry them off to save those who do?
It's not "burn with lust" -- it's "burn" as in if the two are in love with each other. If someone is lusting then they aren't saved, and giving them a wife will not save them. If they would have sex, because they are in love, then they better get married.
Why isn’t it her place? Males aren’t carrying the child for 9 months nor are they giving birth.
It's not the male's place either. It's only for God to determine if the child shall live.
What are your thoughts on harem?
It's not wrong for a man to have multiple wives, and it's not a sin to own slaves. Unless, it is illegal. ix
If god sees all then wouldn’t it be gods doing if someone had an abortion. He could have prevented it if he wanted to.
He causes all things, x even abortions.
Do you agree that women are property?
Not unless they are slaves.
- Exodus 21:
22 And if men fight, and they hit a pregnant woman, and her children come out, and there is no harm, he shall surely be punished as the woman's husband puts upon him; and he shall give among the judges. 23 And if there is harm, then you shall give soul for soul, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
- Mark 11:
25 “And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses.
- Psalm 90:
2 Before the mountains were brought forth,
Or ever You had formed the earth and the world,
Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. - Ecclesiastes 1:
9 That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun. - That is only in the case of the rape of a "virgin" who is not engaged.
Deuteronomy 22:
28 “If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out, 29 then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife because he has humbled her; he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.
- or engaged ^
- Deuteronomy 22:
25 “But if a man finds a betrothed young woman in the countryside, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die.
- 1 Corinthians 7:
36 But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes. He does not sin; let them marry. 37 Nevertheless he who stands steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but has power over his own will, and has so determined in his heart that he will keep his virgin, does well. 38 So then he who gives her in marriage does well, but he who does not give her in marriage does better.
- Romans 13:
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.
1 Peter 2:
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. 15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—
- Romans 11:
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
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