Daniel P. Barron

I broke the fangs of the wicked, And plucked the victim from his teeth.

Thursday, December 12, 2019 

James: Wait, why is the church pro gun? what justification is their for guns in the bible
Daniel: Scripture doesn't forbid it.
James: Matthew 26:

52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?”

Daniel: Peter was trying to defend Him from crucifixion..
Daniel: Luke 22:

36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”

38 So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.”

And He said to them, “It is enough.”

James: Genesis 9:

6 “Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed;
For in the image of God
He made man.

Daniel: And yet God commanded many to kill.
James: Sure, but there is a difference between the Lord directly telling you to kill someone and doing it because man ordered you
Daniel: Right. There is a difference.
James: Matthew 5:

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Daniel: Sure, that goes along with my statement on intention. If your desire is not to save your own life but rather to save the life of others, how is this wrong?
James: Is Isaiah not in the bible?

Daniel: Isaiah 2:

3 Many people shall come and say,
“Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Daniel: you might have your version set weird
Daniel: that's about war. I'm not talking about going to war..
James: Where in the bible does it say you should carry a sword around
Daniel: I already quoted that one..
James: I meant without a specific reason, or with the intent for general defense
Daniel: Luke 22:

36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”

38 So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.”

And He said to them, “It is enough.”

James: That quote is taken from the last supper when Jesus is preparing to die
James: and all he says later is don't use those swords to protect him

Darwin: Romans 13:4 is also applicable, for one in government.

For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

Of course, there is to be no trust in it.

For I will not trust in my bow,
Nor shall my sword save me. (Psalm 44:6)

There is a time to defend the victim.

I broke the fangs of the wicked,
And plucked the victim from his teeth. (Job 29:17)

There is a time to kill.

A time to kill,
And a time to heal. (Ecclesiastes 3:3)

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